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Re: core reasons ISPs make enough money to wire this country three times over with fiber. They won't because it'd hurt the mythical bottom line.
People who defend ISPs staunch stance against wiring rural areas with decent speeds are heavily deluded. Yes, the you might have to eat the initial investment.. but who is really hurt here? The ISPs will make that drop in the pond back tenfold in a manner weeks and gain customers. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Wow, PDOOMA much?
The bottom line most definitely isn't mythical. Is yours? Also, with a 1000% ROI in a matter of weeks, it's unfathomable as to why these silly ISPs haven't built the infrastructure yet  |
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It can be understood that ISPs don't wire every house if there's not enough potential buyers to justify the cost, as you have stated.
However, how do you justify the fact that ISPs shoot down every proposal by other entities to wire the same places they refuse to wire?
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said by openbox9:Wow, PDOOMA much?
The bottom line most definitely isn't mythical. Is yours? Also, with a 1000% ROI in a matter of weeks, it's unfathomable as to why these silly ISPs haven't built the infrastructure yet
Wow, really? What kind of world are you living in where the monetary drop in the pond it'd take to get rural communities going would at all hurt companies worth millions, perhaps billions?
Excuse me for not playing the woe is the telco card. I have personal experience in trying to get a WISP going and it was a nightmare of redtape and local telco and cable blockading everything.
Prices from other markets and the fact America is largely a duopoly of cable and DSL/fiber, along with TV price hikes, well. They'd more than make up that investment in giving a scattering of people access to speeds above 3MB. |
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said by openbox9:Wow, PDOOMA much?
The bottom line most definitely isn't mythical. Is yours? Also, with a 1000% ROI in a matter of weeks, it's unfathomable as to why these silly ISPs haven't built the infrastructure yet
Major POTS build outs ended a long time ago. So where is the USF going?
USF could have paid for universal fiber 20 times over, yet it just vanishes into thin air. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | I agree. It needs to go away. We've been soaked by wasteful taxation long enough. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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How exactly do you define a "monetary drop in the pond"? Apparently the government has wasted billions on encouraging buildouts with little to show. Granted, private industry could likely do it more efficiently, but it's not a "drop in the bucket".
I'm sure you realize the significant differences of wireless providers versus wireline, so I'm not sure your point there except to suggest that starting a business is challenging.
My point is that a lot of people appear disillusioned as to how much money infrastructure projects can cost. |
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said by openbox9:I agree. It needs to go away. We've been soaked by wasteful taxation long enough.
I'd rather the ISPs pay back the last 15 years of USF fees and the $200 billion in tax grants they received as per the '96 Telecom Act. Then use that money to buy up the copper lines and build out FTTH. |
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It isn't the government's fault that the corporations evaporated the funds they were given.
Private industry? Don't make me laugh. If it were up to them, we wouldn't even have 768K download speeds.
Why do you feel the government is to blame and not the people wasting the money they were given? You don't want the government telling them how to spend taxpayer money, yet it's the government's fault they wasted it? |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | What? It's not the government's fault that regulators failed in their responsibilities? It's not the governments fault for continuing to drop money left and right with no accountability or return on investment? Accountability, accountability, accountability. |
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openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
kudos:2 | Ask your elected officials and their appointed regulators. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to slynerve
Let's say you are a subdivision trustee responsible for making sure the common grounds in the subdivision are mowed. You contract with a neighborhood kid. He sends bills, which you regularly approve for payment, but he never mows anything. In fact you learn that he has subcontracted the job and they mowed once and then never again because the kid didn't pay them. The kid keeps sending bills and you keep approving them for payment.
Who do the subdivision members hold accountable for wasted funds and overgrown common grounds? |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to sonicmerlin
Why the hell would we want to buy the copper lines instead of just running new fiber and letting the copper rot? |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to Moropo
Is that "bad" ISPs or is it ineffective and broken government?
Corporations don't work outside the law. They work with the law and law makers to their advantage. They are obligated to do so for their stock holders. The fact that our government lets them do this isn't their fault. If their protection tactics (i.e. "...shoot down every proposal..") didn't work, someone else would wire it, they would wire it or the community would form a coop to wire it. |
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said by DataRiker:I was more concerned with the Inaccuracy of your post that strongly implied KADO used GOV money to build out Infrastructure.
I also like your minimization of the USF. Might want to rethink that position.
"I also like your minimization of the USF."
Why it seems like only yesterday SOMEONE thought that point didn't fit their argument, while today it is their central point. Perhaps He forgot. |
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You're wrong. Why are you completely ignoring the fact incumbent ISPs will us every trick to block community broadband? Sure, co-ops work sometimes and WISPs are far from a rarity, but the fact is that when incumbents can, they do block any alternatives.
And again: we demand government accountability, but a common thread in this countty is to keep government out of the private sector.. so, who exactly is going to hold them accountable for literally squandering millions? |
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public
join:2002-01-19
Santa Clara, CA | reply to slynerve
said by slynerve:said by openbox9:Wow, PDOOMA much?
The bottom line most definitely isn't mythical. Is yours? Also, with a 1000% ROI in a matter of weeks, it's unfathomable as to why these silly ISPs haven't built the infrastructure yet
Wow, really? What kind of world are you living in where the monetary drop in the pond it'd take to get rural communities going would at all hurt companies worth millions, perhaps billions? Excuse me for not playing the woe is the telco card. I have personal experience in trying to get a WISP going and it was a nightmare of redtape and local telco and cable blockading everything. Prices from other markets and the fact America is largely a duopoly of cable and DSL/fiber, along with TV price hikes, well. They'd more than make up that investment in giving a scattering of people access to speeds above 3MB. In Australia the cost on national fiber to over 90% citizens has been put at $40billion, or about the cost of 20 weeks of Iraq war.
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Meanwhile here anti technology ATT offers dialup. Even police gangs are unhappy.
Some Arizona Department of Public Safety computers remain on dial-up:
"The dial-up internet connection is extremely slow and inconsistent, .06 megabits per second. There are often two officers sharing this slow connection, which makes for even slower speeds and less consistent service. Some of the videos on the intranet and training sites are five, ten or even fifty megabytes, which means it often takes from four to twenty hours to download some of the videos and files necessary for training or other work related items"
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So that we wouldn't have infrastructure competition with private ISP incumbents. If taxpayer money went to build a new FTTH network, you'd want to maximize the revenue rather than split it in half to support the bonuses of CEOs. |
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Care to share source of the data that says ISP's can wire the country 3 times over with fiber? |
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