Destroy This Message > All of it is TOTAL FRAUD!

reply to kilingspam

Re: All of it is TOTAL FRAUD!

said by Lost in Space:

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In response to kilingspam: You should explain to Osama bin Laden, the Palestinians, Israelis, and the the families of the three thousand killed in the WTC, including the 25,000 children who lost one or both of their parents that it is "simply about oil." I am sure that the last thoughts of the hijackers were of the price of a barrel of oil. A barrel of oil, now there is something worth dying over.
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reply to SAM Hunter$
Perhaps you need to go to Hiroshima and tell the people there it was necessary for us to drop an ATOMIC bomb on men, women, children. Kids were in school, women having babies, people getting married, having dinner, KABOOM!
There are people still alive today living in extreme pain from radiation burns over 20% of their bodies not to mention cancer from the radiation.
When WE dropped that BOMB at 8:15am.
WE killed 140,000 men, women, & children.
400,000 were left alive.
352,000 of those had/have health & disabilites from that bomb.
Here is a picture of the city after.
»mothra.rerf.or.jp/Images/giff/Dome.gif

Oh, don't forget three days later we did it again at Nagasaki.
WE dropped that bomb at 11:02am.
There WE killed 73,884 men, women, children.
Another 74,909 had/have health & disabilites from that bomb.

I can't even begin to imagine the millions of Jews who were killed by the Nazis. All because ONE man wanted to create HIS vision of a perfect world.

As I have stated above, you should never forget History.

BTW. The White House LET Pearl Harbor happen to gain 100% support from the American people to drop those bombs.

Oh, don't forget, WE (American CIA) educated and trained Osama Bin laden to be the killer he is.

(Evil doers abound on both sides of the fence. They always have)

I LOVE my Country.
I FEAR my Government.
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Well, at least there is one group we don't need to remind of how we decimated their populations - small pox served to be the most lethal weapon of all time as it was used to wipe out entire Native American tribes and villages.

BTW, terror alert number 155 - Senator declares there are over 100 al-Quaeda members still in the U.S. If I have the need to defend my country, so be it. But it won't be for some Texas two-stepper and his petroleum lackeys.
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If my enemy cuts me, I will drown him in my own blood.

reply to kilingspam
War is hell, and the Japanese government brought the disaster on their people. The second bomb was the direct result of the government's arrogance, as they were ordered to unconditionally surrender after the first bomb, and given warning that a second would be dropped. They didn't surrender immediately, and the bomb was dropped again. It was a hard lesson, but one learned well. Don't take atomic bombs lightly.

reply to kilingspam
Just a historical point from a person who has studied the history of WWII:

Operation OLYMPIC was the invasion plan of Japan before it was known that the atomic bomb programme was going to work. This particular plan involved an assault of Kyushu in 1945 as a preliminary to the massive invasion of the main island of Honshu [known as Operation CORONET; to take place in MArch 1946].

The estimated casualties for these two operations were approximately 1 million American soldiers. The Japanese casualties would have been approximately 2-3 million.

All of a sudden the bomb becomes available, and we use it to drop Japan into submission. By your count, if we include the wounded, there are 492,000 casualties.

492k casualties vs. 2-4 million.

Gee. What a choice.

Secondarily, that little tidbit about Roosevelt knowing about Pearl Harbor? It has been bandied about by some historians...but it has not yet been given credible status as hard and true fact. It's just a maybe.

At least, that's per college professors who specialize in the subject. *shrugs*

I am glad to see someone else also has studied history! =o)

My post was simply a rebuttal to the post above it.
It was to point out 9-11 was a tragic moment in history,
like many others have been.

The point in question about Pearl Harbor.
Who knows if we will ever know the whole story.

Yup. 9-11 was just like other moments we've had - we just hadn't experienced one in a while.

OTOH, all of the stuff about this data being removed and that stuff being taken off the net - it's not something I worry about very much. Similar things occur throughout the entire history of America and the world. This will be no different then the 90s or 80s or 70s or 60s und so weiter.

As for Pearl Harbor, yes, we will probably never know.

reply to SAM Hunter$
damn dude don't be an idiot it ALL ABOUT OIL!!!!!

reply to kilingspam
War is brutal and there is no nice way to kill people.

Conventional bombings of Tokyo killed more people (500,000) than the total killed by both atomic bombs. The people in Tokyo were just as dead as those in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Just as dead as the millions killed in Dresden, London, Warsaw, Berlin, and numerous cities in China and Manchuria.

You know, as I read the entire thread on this subject I notice that you and "nc1165" share the trait of professing knowledge that is counter or contrary to what is written in traditional history books and reported by the media.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with you let me ask you both a sincere question. What are your backgrounds or experiences that exposed you these truths as you see them. How do you learn what you claimed? I would really like to know. Thank you.

Looking for sources of information outside the U.S. media is a basic start. Talking to people and making friends with those who have actually fled regimes is another. It all comes down to following the money trail. Where did it come from and who has it. Was it a coincidence that the hostages in Iran were released the week Reagan took office? Live overseas, if given the chance. Breathe their air, eat their food, and you will see that the U.S. is one of a handful of countries where you won't be forced to struggle for survival on a daily basis. You will find yourself trusting the thieves before you trust the cops. And when you read documented accounts from reliable journalists documenting that representatives of The Taliban are meeting in Texas just weeks leading up to 9/11, and that they are the reason UNOCAL can't get it's hands on a trillion dollars worth of oil, you will start to see that families like the Bush's have erased the line that used to separate public service from private interest.
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If my enemy cuts me, I will drown him in my own blood.

reply to dslreader$

said by dslreader:

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You know, as I read the entire thread on this subject I notice that you and "nc1165" share the trait of professing knowledge that is counter or contrary to what is written in traditional history books and reported by the media.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with you let me ask you both a sincere question. What are your backgrounds or experiences that exposed you these truths as you see them. How do you learn what you claimed? I would really like to know. Thank you.

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said by DSL Oberst quoting dslreader:

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You know, as I read the entire thread on this subject I notice that you and "nc1165" share the trait of professing knowledge that is counter or contrary to what is written in traditional history books and reported by the media.

Without agreeing or disagreeing with you let me ask you both a sincere question. What are your backgrounds or experiences that exposed you these truths as you see them. How do you learn what you claimed? I would really like to know. Thank you.

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said by dslreader:

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There appears to be a misunderstanding. I made no reply to your comments or post. What you quote by me above is in reference to the posts of nc1165 and kilingspam.

I am, however, the one who voted your original post thumbs up.

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said by DSL Oberst:

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oops. Sorry about that. Hit the wrong button on the reply whatchamijiggy.

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