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Re: extortion it can be done due to they are NOT suing you! So by not suing or pressing charges against you they do NOT have to establish guilt on anyone. Instead they are "educating" you on what your connection has been used for. But if the CUSTOMER was FOLLOWING the law to start off with; they would NOT get the notices.
And no where does this even imply its a law. Instead the companies agreed to this together and decide to enforce education onto the customer when their connections have been used in illegal activities.
And again; you don't have to defend your innocence. Just click on the message and go away. You don't have to do anything else! |
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 Camelot OnePremium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | said by hottboiinnc:But if the CUSTOMER was FOLLOWING the law to start off with; they would NOT get the notices.
Well that part simply isn't true. But I agree, as long as this is a no-action agreement, who cares. |
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 firephotoFacts hurtPremium
join:2003-03-18
Brewster, WA | said by Camelot One:said by hottboiinnc:But if the CUSTOMER was FOLLOWING the law to start off with; they would NOT get the notices.
Well that part simply isn't true. But I agree, as long as this is a no-action agreement, who cares. The action is the records the ISP will start saving concerning customer use. The scumbags then just have to do some legalese with the ISP and they have exactly the evidence they want and any random customer can be brought up on charges and made an example of.
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| already done with people already stealing things they refuse to pay for. If people did the honest thing and paid for shit they wouldn't get notices or tossed into court anyway. But this isn't about even going to court. It's a simple notice. No big deal. But yet you have people on here claiming their Rights are violated when in actually NONE were. You don't even have rights when you're using a private network to start off with. |
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Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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| said by hottboiinnc:already done with people already stealing things they refuse to pay for. If people did the honest thing and paid for shit they wouldn't get notices or tossed into court anyway. I want to buy legal copies of the TV shows Special Unit 2, Strange Luck, All Souls, Close to Home and Committed. Can you please tell me where to get them?
Oh, I also want to buy a legal copy of the show WKRP in Cincinnati uncut with all the ORIGINAL music. Think you can find that one for me too? |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to hottboiinnc
So if the DHCP records get crossed and it looks like my service accesses illegal content, an external review board will send me an educational notice that I can ignore?
The ole "just ignore it" strategy works so well for identity theft victims. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to Rekrul
What bearing does this have on the discussion? Is your assertion that copyright protection ends as soon as legal means to obtain or view the content is no longer offered? |
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 JRW2R.I.P. Mom, Brian, Ziggy, Max and Zen.Premium
join:2004-12-20
La La Land
kudos:5
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| said by rradina:What bearing does this have on the discussion? Is your assertion that copyright protection ends as soon as legal means to obtain or view the content is no longer offered?
OK, what about the person who holds a LEGAL copy of a movie/tv show/CD, that is damaged, and no longer available for purchase.....
What about that person, are they illegally downloading a copy of a "work" they legally own???
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said by hottboiinnc:But if the CUSTOMER was FOLLOWING the law to start off with; they would NOT get the notices.
I've received notices for copyright infringements that definitely did not occur in my household. At the time, I was the only computer user, and had no wireless to leech off of. I didn't download it, and there was no way anyone else could have downloaded it via my internet connection. |
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said by JRW2:said by rradina:What bearing does this have on the discussion? Is your assertion that copyright protection ends as soon as legal means to obtain or view the content is no longer offered?
OK, what about the person who holds a LEGAL copy of a movie/tv show/CD, that is damaged, and no longer available for purchase..... What about that person, are they illegally downloading a copy of a "work" they legally own??? You are allowed to make backup copies of things you legally own, but I don't believe that you have a right to download a copy of something you have. However, that is really a moot point, because most notices I read about come from a user uploading said content, not downloading. You definitely do not have the right to distribute copyright material even if you do own it. |
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said by Rekrul:said by hottboiinnc:already done with people already stealing things they refuse to pay for. If people did the honest thing and paid for shit they wouldn't get notices or tossed into court anyway. I want to buy legal copies of the TV shows Special Unit 2, Strange Luck, All Souls, Close to Home and Committed. Can you please tell me where to get them? Oh, I also want to buy a legal copy of the show WKRP in Cincinnati uncut with all the ORIGINAL music. Think you can find that one for me too? But, Your Honor, that guy WOULD NOT SELL ME HIS CAR! So I HAD to take it! I'm clearly NOT GUILTY under the doctrine of EVERYONE HAS TO SELL ME WHAT I WANT OR I GET TO TAKE IT! |
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Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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said by rradina:What bearing does this have on the discussion? Is your assertion that copyright protection ends as soon as legal means to obtain or view the content is no longer offered? I was responding to a message that claimed that people just didn't want to pay for things. I was pointing out that it's not that simple. If the studios don't want me to pirate these things, where are my legal options to buy them?
said by rradina:Is your assertion that copyright protection ends as soon as legal means to obtain or view the content is no longer offered? If nobody is offering a particular bit of content for sale, how are they harmed if people share it for free? |
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Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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said by MyDogHsFleas:But, Your Honor, that guy WOULD NOT SELL ME HIS CAR! So I HAD to take it! I'm clearly NOT GUILTY under the doctrine of EVERYONE HAS TO SELL ME WHAT I WANT OR I GET TO TAKE IT! How do you "take" someone's copy of a digital file? Does the act of downloading it magically erase it from the other person's computer?
You're comparing depriving someone of an actual physical object with making an exact copy of something that can be infinitely duplicated.
If the content had value to the owners, they'd be selling it. They're not keeping it off the market out of some artistic desire. To them, these shows are the equivalent of that broken fan sitting in your attic or garage. The only difference is that where you'd probably throw it out, they're obsessive hoarders who will never part with anything no matter how useless it is to them. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to JRW2
Yes. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO | reply to Rekrul
Come on. Get real and be serious. This is just silly. Copyright holders are under no obligation to sell copies of their work. The fact that they don't want to sell copies doesn't invalid their hold on the copyright. Disney periodically offers their "classics" for sale but only for a limited time. If you miss their offer, that doesn't mean it's a free for all.
Turn this around and get real. If you created something and held a copyright and for whatever reason didn't want to sell copies, do you want folks stealing from you?
This issue isn't at all about any of this shit. For crying out loud, just stop it. The significance here is the fact that the ISPs and content owners have decided to create some sort of sidebar court system because the copyright holders weren't finding satisfaction in the normal court system. Nothing more, nothing less. There's nothing about this development that changes any of the landscape regarding whether or not it's justified or right to copy something that you don't own or already own but think you are entitled to something that may or may not be fair or right but that's the law. |
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said by Rekrul:said by MyDogHsFleas:But, Your Honor, that guy WOULD NOT SELL ME HIS CAR! So I HAD to take it! I'm clearly NOT GUILTY under the doctrine of EVERYONE HAS TO SELL ME WHAT I WANT OR I GET TO TAKE IT! How do you "take" someone's copy of a digital file? Does the act of downloading it magically erase it from the other person's computer? You're comparing depriving someone of an actual physical object with making an exact copy of something that can be infinitely duplicated. If the content had value to the owners, they'd be selling it. They're not keeping it off the market out of some artistic desire. To them, these shows are the equivalent of that broken fan sitting in your attic or garage. The only difference is that where you'd probably throw it out, they're obsessive hoarders who will never part with anything no matter how useless it is to them. Oh listen Your Honor... it's even better than I said. It wasn't a car! It was only a picture of a unique, handbuilt car! Listen, Your Honor! They used to sell this picture with a nice frame! Then they stopped selling it, and I could only buy it as a poster! WHY WON'T THEY SELL IT WITH A FRAME! Now, that totally justifies why it's OK for me to steal it. Listen... here's the capper... if they want another one with a frame, THEY CAN JUST PRINT ANOTHER PICTURE! It's not like I *actually* took something from him.
So.... not only should you let me go, you should praise me as a hero for liberating that framed car picture! Otherwise no one could enjoy it! |
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join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
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·AT&T U-Verse
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said by hottboiinnc:it can be done due to they are NOT suing you! So by not suing or pressing charges against you they do NOT have to establish guilt on anyone. Instead they are "educating" you on what your connection has been used for. But if the CUSTOMER was FOLLOWING the law to start off with; they would NOT get the notices.
And no where does this even imply its a law. Instead the companies agreed to this together and decide to enforce education onto the customer when their connections have been used in illegal activities.
And again; you don't have to defend your innocence. Just click on the message and go away. You don't have to do anything else!
Customer's are not paying ISPs to pass along hearsay from 3rd parties.
Customer's are not paying ISPs to educated them on anything.
If ISPs did not keep records of IP addresses customers would not get any notices either.
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join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX Reviews:
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·AT&T U-Verse
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said by hottboiinnc:already done with people already stealing things they refuse to pay for. If people did the honest thing and paid for shit they wouldn't get notices or tossed into court anyway. But this isn't about even going to court. It's a simple notice. No big deal. But yet you have people on here claiming their Rights are violated when in actually NONE were. You don't even have rights when you're using a private network to start off with.
You have rights. The customer owns the services, they are paying for it. The ISP would not exist without the customer.
The ISP only needs to do what the customer is paying for not what the MPAA or RIAA wants.
Every day there is another story how ISPs are limiting/destroying the internet. We need real net neutrality laws and fast.
Soon the only way to get a real internet connection will be to pay like $10 a month for a VPN service in a foreign country. It is a joke that customers will have to pay more to a separate company just to get what their ISP should already be providing.
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 KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | reply to frdrizzt
said by frdrizzt:You are allowed to make backup copies of things you legally own, Bzzzzt. Wrong guess. They took that away years ago. You're not allowed to backup anything unless they specifically say you can.
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Kamus
join:2011-01-27
El Paso, TX | reply to MyDogHsFleas
said by MyDogHsFleas:But, Your Honor, that guy WOULD NOT SELL ME HIS CAR! So I HAD to take it! I'm clearly NOT GUILTY under the doctrine of EVERYONE HAS TO SELL ME WHAT I WANT OR I GET TO TAKE IT!
That's a pretty dumb analogy, and i have a feeling that you know this very well.
You're basically implying that if i copy a movie, the original i lost.
You're dumb. |
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