 GbcueP.E.Premium
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kudos:8 | Need More $ We need more deep-pockets fighting other deep-pockets. It's the only way the lowly consumer can win!
When all internet is capped in your area, how competitive is that?
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| said by Wilsdom:All of the deep-pockets are aligned against Netflix's shallow ones. Netflix should be grateful that it is allowed to rent DVDs.
That's another BS thing... Why should the **AA be able to tell them what to do with their DVDs? They bought them. They're not making public performances out of them. They own them. Why can they tell netflix that they have to wait 90 days for new releases, when netflix could just send some people down to the nearest costco and pick up a bunch of copies to add to their rotation? |
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said by Wilsdom:All of the deep-pockets are aligned against Netflix's shallow ones. Netflix should be grateful that it is allowed to rent DVDs.
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 Camelot OnePremium,MVM
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Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | reply to Gbcue
said by Gbcue:We need more deep-pockets fighting other deep-pockets. It's the only way the lowly consumer can win!
said by Netflix :The marginal cost of providing an extra gigabyte of data—enough to deliver one episode of "30 Rock" from Netflix It takes a gigabyte to stream 1 episode of a 30 minute show? If so, it's not more money fighting money that we need. Its compression thats worth a damn! |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to talz13
said by talz13:That's another BS thing... Why should the **AA be able to tell them what to do with their DVDs? They bought them. They're not making public performances out of them. They own them. Why can they tell netflix that they have to wait 90 days for new releases, when netflix could just send some people down to the nearest costco and pick up a bunch of copies to add to their rotation? The DVDs you buy at the retail level are most likely not licensed for any commercial use, including rentals. My guess is that NetFlix has to enter into special legal arrangements with the movie studios to get the rights needed to rent out DVDs.
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Bandwidth is dirt cheap, it make sense to only charge for fix costs and not usage by the byte. Compression is irrelvant, also FYI they are already heavily compressed.
Remember netflix pays for their bandwidth and the customer pays for their bandwidth.
Bandwidth is so cheap neflix can be very profitable selling you unlimited downloads for $7.99 a month which includes paying the licenses fees for the downloads, servers, a work staff, and then paying for the bandwidth.
It seems like netflix is getting a much better price on bandwidth then us consumers that are stuck with monopolies and have no internet choices.
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Camelot OnePremium,MVM
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kudos:1 | said by r81984:Bandwidth is dirt cheap, it make sense to only charge for fix costs and not usage by the byte. Compression is irrelvant, also FYI they are already heavily compressed.
You misunderstood my point. The ISP's like to roll out talking heads that have no idea what they are talking about, using numbers pulled out of the sky. So Hyman stating a streamed 30 minute TV show (which is what, 21 minutes without commercials) would eat up a Gigabyte - just seems sloppy. |
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said by pnh102:The DVDs you buy at the retail level are most likely not licensed for any commercial use, including rentals. My guess is that NetFlix has to enter into special legal arrangements with the movie studios to get the rights needed to rent out DVDs.
There is no "license" required for renting DVDs and BDs. The First Sale Doctrine allows that you can do anything with the items that you purchased, including renting them out to others.
The only reason Netflix agrees to follow the movie studios' rules is so that they will be allowed to purchase discs directly from them at a substantially discounted rate from what you and I would pay for a single disc at a store. |
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Greenwood, IN
kudos:1 | said by gettagrip :There is no "license" required for renting DVDs and BDs. The First Sale Doctrine allows that you can do anything with the items that you purchased, including renting them out to others.
The only reason Netflix agrees to follow the movie studios' rules is so that they will be allowed to purchase discs directly from them at a substantially discounted rate from what you and I would pay for a single disc at a store.
You are wrong on both points.
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If you have no idea how video bitrates, compression, and bandwidth work you should refrain from commenting on news stories involving them. TIA |
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kudos:1 | said by 45612019:If you have no idea how video bitrates, compression, and bandwidth work you should refrain from commenting on news stories involving them. TIA
Was your comment actually directed at me, or did you click the wrong reply button? |
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| Yes it was. You appear to be under the impression that a 22 minute show would not work out to being a gigabyte in size. That is incorrect.
If a high definition episode of a 22 minute show DOESN'T work out to be at least 1 GB in size; even using the H.264 codec, that means it's been over-compressed and won't even be close to looking as good as the source material. And that's only 720p... 1080p requires a bitrate of at least 12 Mbps utilizing the H.264 codec before it starts approaching "good quality" territory. |
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Camelot OnePremium,MVM
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kudos:1 | An episode of 30 Rock, at 720p, should use no more than 560Mb. I guess if you are adding up the bandwidth both ways, you could call it a Gb. But the article and comment were directed just at the end user's ISP restrictions.
Netflix doesn't offer it in 1080p. |
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Dallas, TX
kudos:48 | reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One:So Hyman stating a streamed 30 minute TV show (which is what, 21 minutes without commercials) would eat up a Gigabyte - just seems sloppy.
I guess, depends on if it's HD or not, there are episodes of some shows like Game of Thrones that are 1.5GB's just for 720p content, and I think without commercials is about 45 minutes long, so taking half of that out you could get around 750MB for 1 show, which is pretty close to 1GB, and I think it was more of an exaggeration so it wasn't so confusing for consumers. But then again maybe so it's not confusing for ISP's too, since they can't seem to realize 1GB is 1024MB's and not 1000MB's.....
Edit: I think his point was that watching one show could make you hit your cap and make you pay extra, just saying...
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You realize you can't just say 'You are wrong' without providing proof, right? If you do, it makes you look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag. |
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kudos:1 | said by TheRogueX:You realize you can't just say 'You are wrong' without providing proof, right? If you do, it makes you look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.
Pop in a DVD, read the FBI warning.
Netflix has agreements with the studios so they can stream, not just to get the discs at a discount.
But thank you for the comment. Next time I'll actually post something like this so as to not look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag. |
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| That's great, but the FBI warning doesn't, in fact, prevent the rental of DVDs or BDs, which is what was being referenced... not streaming. Streaming is indeed another matter.
Also, please remember that in a debate or argument, it is the onus of the accuser to provide proof.. it's not our job to go look up proof. So if you say 'you are wrong' you are required to back up your statement or look like a fool. |
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kudos:1 | said by TheRogueX:Also, please remember that in a debate or argument, it is the onus of the accuser to provide proof.. it's not our job to go look up proof. So if you say 'you are wrong' you are required to back up your statement or look like a fool.
Actually I barely cared enough about the subject to google it for you. I'm certainly not putting any further effort into this.
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the FBI may not have any power to control this but the MPAA does and Netflix is required to pay for those movies that they rent. Blockbuster is/was required to do the same. And your local mom and pop rental house is required to do the same.
And there is no such thing as proof on here unless it comes from Google and Wiki (or a previous blog entry from a "writer". And if you want it; maybe you should learn that the Studio's pay the MPAA to represent them in court and battle their legal battles so they don't have to. the same with the RIAA and the other likes of those companies. Maybe you also should visit your state's website on starting a business and you'll find the same documents telling you on who you need to contact to protect yourself. After all those are all free legal documents the gov't provides. |
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