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talz13

join:2006-03-15
Avon, OH
reply to Wilsdom

Re: Need More $

said by Wilsdom:

All of the deep-pockets are aligned against Netflix's shallow ones. Netflix should be grateful that it is allowed to rent DVDs.

That's another BS thing... Why should the **AA be able to tell them what to do with their DVDs? They bought them. They're not making public performances out of them. They own them. Why can they tell netflix that they have to wait 90 days for new releases, when netflix could just send some people down to the nearest costco and pick up a bunch of copies to add to their rotation?


pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
said by talz13:

That's another BS thing... Why should the **AA be able to tell them what to do with their DVDs? They bought them. They're not making public performances out of them. They own them. Why can they tell netflix that they have to wait 90 days for new releases, when netflix could just send some people down to the nearest costco and pick up a bunch of copies to add to their rotation?

The DVDs you buy at the retail level are most likely not licensed for any commercial use, including rentals. My guess is that NetFlix has to enter into special legal arrangements with the movie studios to get the rights needed to rent out DVDs.
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gettagrip

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said by pnh102:

The DVDs you buy at the retail level are most likely not licensed for any commercial use, including rentals. My guess is that NetFlix has to enter into special legal arrangements with the movie studios to get the rights needed to rent out DVDs.

There is no "license" required for renting DVDs and BDs. The First Sale Doctrine allows that you can do anything with the items that you purchased, including renting them out to others.

The only reason Netflix agrees to follow the movie studios' rules is so that they will be allowed to purchase discs directly from them at a substantially discounted rate from what you and I would pay for a single disc at a store.


Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Greenwood, IN
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said by gettagrip :

There is no "license" required for renting DVDs and BDs. The First Sale Doctrine allows that you can do anything with the items that you purchased, including renting them out to others.

The only reason Netflix agrees to follow the movie studios' rules is so that they will be allowed to purchase discs directly from them at a substantially discounted rate from what you and I would pay for a single disc at a store.

You are wrong on both points.
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TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
Springfield, MO
You realize you can't just say 'You are wrong' without providing proof, right? If you do, it makes you look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.


Camelot One
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said by TheRogueX:

You realize you can't just say 'You are wrong' without providing proof, right? If you do, it makes you look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.

Pop in a DVD, read the FBI warning.
Netflix has agreements with the studios so they can stream, not just to get the discs at a discount.

But thank you for the comment. Next time I'll actually post something like this so as to not look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.

TheRogueX

join:2003-03-26
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That's great, but the FBI warning doesn't, in fact, prevent the rental of DVDs or BDs, which is what was being referenced... not streaming. Streaming is indeed another matter.

Also, please remember that in a debate or argument, it is the onus of the accuser to provide proof.. it's not our job to go look up proof. So if you say 'you are wrong' you are required to back up your statement or look like a fool.


Camelot One
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said by TheRogueX:

Also, please remember that in a debate or argument, it is the onus of the accuser to provide proof.. it's not our job to go look up proof. So if you say 'you are wrong' you are required to back up your statement or look like a fool.

Actually I barely cared enough about the subject to google it for you. I'm certainly not putting any further effort into this.
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hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to TheRogueX
the FBI may not have any power to control this but the MPAA does and Netflix is required to pay for those movies that they rent. Blockbuster is/was required to do the same. And your local mom and pop rental house is required to do the same.

And there is no such thing as proof on here unless it comes from Google and Wiki (or a previous blog entry from a "writer". And if you want it; maybe you should learn that the Studio's pay the MPAA to represent them in court and battle their legal battles so they don't have to. the same with the RIAA and the other likes of those companies. Maybe you also should visit your state's website on starting a business and you'll find the same documents telling you on who you need to contact to protect yourself. After all those are all free legal documents the gov't provides.


gettagrip

@141.191.20.x
reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One:

You are wrong on both points.

Please try again.

»www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/08/fi···hting-it

»latimesblogs.latimes.com/enterta···lix.html

»latimesblogs.latimes.com/enterta···ses.html

Please note that in the last article, Redbox was buying DVD stock from general retailers and still it was Redbox that was suing the studios...not the other way around.


gettagrip

@141.191.20.x
reply to Camelot One
said by Camelot One:

Pop in a DVD, read the FBI warning.
Netflix has agreements with the studios so they can stream, not just to get the discs at a discount.

But thank you for the comment. Next time I'll actually post something like this so as to not look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.

It's true that there is a license required to stream movies, but that is because the law considers streaming to be a public performance.

Also, if you read the FBI warning, it is fairly disingenuous as it highlights the worst-case scenario penalties for CRIMINAL copyright infringement. In order to qualify for that, you would need to make large numbers of copies of DVDs and sell them. Though it does mention distribution, renting a DVD is not considered to be distribution according to the law (see the EFF link in my other reply.)

The law does not consider rentals to be a public performance or copyright infringement, thus they are allowed under the First Sale Doctrine. Please see the links in my other reply.

It is unfortunate that there is so much FUD and misinformation floating around out there. It just confuses people.

I suggest you ask the nice folks at the EFF and they will provide the facts.
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