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Re: Need More $

Tue, 12 Jul 2011 04:01:13 EDT

anon posted : Not sure what your working with but I get excellent "recording" at 9.6 Mbps using H264 with little to zero macro-blocking in low-light, fast action scenes.You probably know, avchd and h264 codec struggle in low light, especially with lower bitrates, but it is the most efficient we have today when done right. I have encoded for years , on the old pc that's how long it took for one. Thank the the lord for transmuxing and mkv's. Quick and easy work now.

Re: Need More $

Mon, 11 Jul 2011 14:15:39 EDT

DataRiker posted : Network equipment is dirt cheap when compared to consumer costs.

Keeping a network up and running is not rocket science, and the vast majority of the "problems" on an ISP's network are self inflicted.

Re: Need More $

Mon, 11 Jul 2011 11:15:09 EDT

anon posted :

said by Camelot One:

Pop in a DVD, read the FBI warning.
Netflix has agreements with the studios so they can stream, not just to get the discs at a discount.

But thank you for the comment. Next time I'll actually post something like this so as to not look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.

It's true that there is a license required to stream movies, but that is because the law considers streaming to be a public performance.

Also, if you read the FBI warning, it is fairly disingenuous as it highlights the worst-case scenario penalties for CRIMINAL copyright infringement. In order to qualify for that, you would need to make large numbers of copies of DVDs and sell them. Though it does mention distribution, renting a DVD is not considered to be distribution according to the law (see the EFF link in my other reply.)

The law does not consider rentals to be a public performance or copyright infringement, thus they are allowed under the First Sale Doctrine. Please see the links in my other reply.

It is unfortunate that there is so much FUD and misinformation floating around out there. It just confuses people.

I suggest you ask the nice folks at the EFF and they will provide the facts.

Re: Need More $

Mon, 11 Jul 2011 10:55:38 EDT

anon posted :

said by Camelot One:

You are wrong on both points.

Please try again.

»www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/08/fi···hting-it

»latimesblogs.latimes.com/enterta···lix.html

»latimesblogs.latimes.com/enterta···ses.html

Please note that in the last article, Redbox was buying DVD stock from general retailers and still it was Redbox that was suing the studios...not the other way around.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 23:40:42 EDT

45612019 posted : Comcap is not good for anyone except its shareholders. You're damn right I'm jealous of their ability to make money off of idiots. Making a lot of money rarely translates to producing a quality product.

The universal theme here is that the people love crap. It is why Apple products continue to sell like hotcakes, DVDs continue to outsell Blu-rays, lossy compressed music is overtaking CDs, console gaming continues to grow and PC gaming continues to shrink, conservatives continue to get elected... quality doesn't stand a chance in this world.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:59:52 EDT

r81984 posted :

said by hottboiinnc:

i actually work for the LEGO Group. and own my own business. And if you want change- maybe you should be the one that steps up and changes it. Instead you bitch about it and hope it will change for what you want; maybe you should wake up and see that it won't change for what you want until YOU change it. Otherwise live with what you're dealt.

And Comcrap? you show you true age eh? And also if they were really crap they wouldn't be making the money they do. Talk about someone being a little jealous eh?

So even though Lego already pays for their website's internet connection should comcast, ATT, etc be able to charge Lego Group extra when comcast, att, etc. customers go to lego.com to play the free games or watch the videos???
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Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:56:21 EDT

r81984 posted :

said by hottboiinnc:

bandwidth may be "dirt cheap" but the hardware and all of the staff that takes to fix that network you use; is NOT dirt cheap. Also there is NO proof on what anyone is paying and that it's going down!

Exactly, ISPs need to charge by the fixed costs not by the byte. If they actually divided the fixed costs by all the available bandwidth and charged you by the byte they would all go under. They can't really charge you by the byte and risk that you curb your usage because they would not get enough money to pay for the network.
What they are trying to do is divided the fixed costs and be profitable and then use charging by the byte to rip off customers beyond just being profitable.

said by hottboiinnc:

Maybe NF should start teaming up with the last mile owners and put their Servers farther into the network And NF is only using L3- when L3 files for bankruptcy protection NF won't be getting that cheap bandwidth- we already seen that they took a HUGE hit when Comcast noticed all that extra bandwidth being sent to their network and taking up their resources did. L3 got to pay a larger bill and NF was affected by it.

Why? Neflix already pays for their internet connection which covers all the costs. Customers pay for theirs which covers all the costs. No one needs to pay more for any reason including usage as all the costs are covered by each party.
Also netflix does not use anyone else's network.
All the customers use their ISP and netflix's ISP to download from netflix.
But if an ISP offers to host netflix servers for free because it would actually save them money, then I doubt netflix would turn them down.

The only reason Level 3 would become unprofitable is because companies like comcast are trying to rip them off by blocking the internet that comcast customers are paying to use.

said by hottboiinnc:

And you have a choice for Internet. There is NO such thing as a monopoly any longer. You have Cable, Telco, 3G and 4g, Wireless from a local provider, 3rd party DSL (if available still), HughesNet and WildBlue and many others. Options are there. It's when you have NO option is that company called a monopoly and then its up to the Feds to decide how much of one they are.

I have no choices for internet, sorry.
My current choices are ATT "capped/restricted" internet or some no name apartment complex cable "capped/restricted" internet which requires cable tv through them.
I can't even get just plain "internet" without restrictions anymore, there is no option for this.

If there was an unresticted internet that I could get, I would in a second. ATT used to be this provider until a few months ago. "Capped/restricted internet" is a monopoly and cannot be called "internet"
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Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:30:50 EDT

hottboiinnc posted : i actually work for the LEGO Group. and own my own business. And if you want change- maybe you should be the one that steps up and changes it. Instead you bitch about it and hope it will change for what you want; maybe you should wake up and see that it won't change for what you want until YOU change it. Otherwise live with what you're dealt.

And Comcrap? you show you true age eh? And also if they were really crap they wouldn't be making the money they do. Talk about someone being a little jealous eh?

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:23:55 EDT

45612019 posted : Your American ISP fellating is pitiful. Thread after thread, I see you spreading propaganda and attempts at justifying their delivery of subpar service for high prices.

Which one are you working for? Comcap? Time Warner? AT&T? If I had to guess, I'd go with Comcap.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:14:24 EDT

hottboiinnc posted : bandwidth may be "dirt cheap" but the hardware and all of the staff that takes to fix that network you use; is NOT dirt cheap. Also there is NO proof on what anyone is paying and that it's going down!

Maybe NF should start teaming up with the last mile owners and put their Servers farther into the network And NF is only using L3- when L3 files for bankruptcy protection NF won't be getting that cheap bandwidth- we already seen that they took a HUGE hit when Comcast noticed all that extra bandwidth being sent to their network and taking up their resources did. L3 got to pay a larger bill and NF was affected by it.

And you have a choice for Internet. There is NO such thing as a monopoly any longer. You have Cable, Telco, 3G and 4g, Wireless from a local provider, 3rd party DSL (if available still), HughesNet and WildBlue and many others. Options are there. It's when you have NO option is that company called a monopoly and then its up to the Feds to decide how much of one they are.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:09:13 EDT

hottboiinnc posted : and that's why Netflix has to wait 28days before actually being able to rent a title. Maybe the Studios need to extend that time frame to about 45 days out? I'm sure Netflix will do anything else but listen or not rent that title.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 22:07:26 EDT

hottboiinnc posted : the FBI may not have any power to control this but the MPAA does and Netflix is required to pay for those movies that they rent. Blockbuster is/was required to do the same. And your local mom and pop rental house is required to do the same.

And there is no such thing as proof on here unless it comes from Google and Wiki (or a previous blog entry from a "writer". And if you want it; maybe you should learn that the Studio's pay the MPAA to represent them in court and battle their legal battles so they don't have to. the same with the RIAA and the other likes of those companies. Maybe you also should visit your state's website on starting a business and you'll find the same documents telling you on who you need to contact to protect yourself. After all those are all free legal documents the gov't provides.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 20:18:01 EDT

Camelot One posted :

said by TheRogueX:

Also, please remember that in a debate or argument, it is the onus of the accuser to provide proof.. it's not our job to go look up proof. So if you say 'you are wrong' you are required to back up your statement or look like a fool.

Actually I barely cared enough about the subject to google it for you. I'm certainly not putting any further effort into this.
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Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:43:00 EDT

TheRogueX posted : That's great, but the FBI warning doesn't, in fact, prevent the rental of DVDs or BDs, which is what was being referenced... not streaming. Streaming is indeed another matter.

Also, please remember that in a debate or argument, it is the onus of the accuser to provide proof.. it's not our job to go look up proof. So if you say 'you are wrong' you are required to back up your statement or look like a fool.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 19:21:37 EDT

Camelot One posted :

said by TheRogueX:

You realize you can't just say 'You are wrong' without providing proof, right? If you do, it makes you look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 18:50:35 EDT

TheRogueX posted : You realize you can't just say 'You are wrong' without providing proof, right? If you do, it makes you look like an ignorant, opinionated douchebag.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 12:20:46 EDT

mmay149q posted :

said by Camelot One:

So Hyman stating a streamed 30 minute TV show (which is what, 21 minutes without commercials) would eat up a Gigabyte - just seems sloppy.

I guess, depends on if it's HD or not, there are episodes of some shows like Game of Thrones that are 1.5GB's just for 720p content, and I think without commercials is about 45 minutes long, so taking half of that out you could get around 750MB for 1 show, which is pretty close to 1GB, and I think it was more of an exaggeration so it wasn't so confusing for consumers. But then again maybe so it's not confusing for ISP's too, since they can't seem to realize 1GB is 1024MB's and not 1000MB's.....

Edit: I think his point was that watching one show could make you hit your cap and make you pay extra, just saying...

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Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:22:14 EDT

Camelot One posted : An episode of 30 Rock, at 720p, should use no more than 560Mb. I guess if you are adding up the bandwidth both ways, you could call it a Gb. But the article and comment were directed just at the end user's ISP restrictions.

Netflix doesn't offer it in 1080p.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 11:06:15 EDT

45612019 posted : Yes it was. You appear to be under the impression that a 22 minute show would not work out to being a gigabyte in size. That is incorrect.

If a high definition episode of a 22 minute show DOESN'T work out to be at least 1 GB in size; even using the H.264 codec, that means it's been over-compressed and won't even be close to looking as good as the source material. And that's only 720p... 1080p requires a bitrate of at least 12 Mbps utilizing the H.264 codec before it starts approaching "good quality" territory.

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:42:35 EDT

Camelot One posted :

said by 45612019:

If you have no idea how video bitrates, compression, and bandwidth work you should refrain from commenting on news stories involving them. TIA

Was your comment actually directed at me, or did you click the wrong reply button?

Re: Need More $

Sun, 10 Jul 2011 03:27:51 EDT

45612019 posted : If you have no idea how video bitrates, compression, and bandwidth work you should refrain from commenting on news stories involving them. TIA

Re: Need More $

Sat, 09 Jul 2011 12:24:26 EDT

Camelot One posted :

said by gettagrip :

There is no "license" required for renting DVDs and BDs. The First Sale Doctrine allows that you can do anything with the items that you purchased, including renting them out to others.

The only reason Netflix agrees to follow the movie studios' rules is so that they will be allowed to purchase discs directly from them at a substantially discounted rate from what you and I would pay for a single disc at a store.

You are wrong on both points.
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Re: Need More $

Sat, 09 Jul 2011 10:19:04 EDT

anon posted :

said by pnh102:

The DVDs you buy at the retail level are most likely not licensed for any commercial use, including rentals. My guess is that NetFlix has to enter into special legal arrangements with the movie studios to get the rights needed to rent out DVDs.

Re: Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 21:15:11 EDT

Camelot One posted :

said by r81984:

Bandwidth is dirt cheap, it make sense to only charge for fix costs and not usage by the byte. Compression is irrelvant, also FYI they are already heavily compressed.

You misunderstood my point. The ISP's like to roll out talking heads that have no idea what they are talking about, using numbers pulled out of the sky. So Hyman stating a streamed 30 minute TV show (which is what, 21 minutes without commercials) would eat up a Gigabyte - just seems sloppy.

Re: Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 19:54:09 EDT

r81984 posted : Bandwidth is dirt cheap, it make sense to only charge for fix costs and not usage by the byte. Compression is irrelvant, also FYI they are already heavily compressed.
Remember netflix pays for their bandwidth and the customer pays for their bandwidth.
Bandwidth is so cheap neflix can be very profitable selling you unlimited downloads for $7.99 a month which includes paying the licenses fees for the downloads, servers, a work staff, and then paying for the bandwidth.

It seems like netflix is getting a much better price on bandwidth then us consumers that are stuck with monopolies and have no internet choices.
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Re: Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:32:40 EDT

pnh102 posted :

said by talz13:

That's another BS thing... Why should the **AA be able to tell them what to do with their DVDs? They bought them. They're not making public performances out of them. They own them. Why can they tell netflix that they have to wait 90 days for new releases, when netflix could just send some people down to the nearest costco and pick up a bunch of copies to add to their rotation?

Re: Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 16:03:10 EDT

Camelot One posted :

said by Gbcue:

We need more deep-pockets fighting other deep-pockets. It's the only way the lowly consumer can win!

said by Netflix :

The marginal cost of providing an extra gigabyte of data—enough to deliver one episode of "30 Rock" from Netflix

It takes a gigabyte to stream 1 episode of a 30 minute show? If so, it's not more money fighting money that we need. Its compression thats worth a damn!

Re: Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:59:36 EDT

EdmundGerber posted :

said by Wilsdom:

All of the deep-pockets are aligned against Netflix's shallow ones. Netflix should be grateful that it is allowed to rent DVDs.

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Re: Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:38:38 EDT

talz13 posted :

said by Wilsdom:

All of the deep-pockets are aligned against Netflix's shallow ones. Netflix should be grateful that it is allowed to rent DVDs.

Re: Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 15:23:58 EDT

Wilsdom posted : All of the deep-pockets are aligned against Netflix's shallow ones. Netflix should be grateful that it is allowed to rent DVDs.

Need More $

Fri, 08 Jul 2011 14:49:57 EDT

Gbcue posted : We need more deep-pockets fighting other deep-pockets. It's the only way the lowly consumer can win!

When all internet is capped in your area, how competitive is that?
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