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ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to hottboiinnc

Re: Own you?

said by hottboiinnc:

you may own the device- but not their network. Your monthly fee gives you the privilege to use it and they say what happens on it. If you don't like it; then there are other carriers that will take your business.

Yes, but tethering is not a network function; it's a phone function. The tethering happens after the data has been received by the phone. At that point, it is no longer traversing their network.

That would be like your ISP telling you that you can't use a wireless router in your house. Once that data comes out of the LAN side of their modem, it isn't any concern of theirs what you do with it. Or, if you want an older example, it would be like the phone company telling you that you had to only use a telephone that you rented from them. If you wanted more extensions in your house, you had to get the phone company out to install them, and you paid more for renting extra phones. It didn't matter that you still only had one line. If you wanted another phone, or a different kind of phone, you had to get Ma Bell's OK.

WernerSchutz

join:2009-08-04
Sugar Land, TX
And that is exactly what they are working toward. All the government regulation and customer protections be damned. I am looking forward when those kind of "features" come to a car or a house that you buy.

Fascism is a lot of fun.

jjeffeory

join:2002-12-04
USA
reply to ISurfTooMuch
I had a cable company tell me that I couldn't use a router at home. It was against their TOS. That was in '06 in a LARGE metro area too. I looked at them and laughed!

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to ISurfTooMuch
Yes but putting that device on a computer can and most likely will cause more strain on the network due to pulling more data over it.

hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to jjeffeory
and if its in your contract yes they can. Still their network that you lease access to.

dr_jack

join:2002-04-21
Irving, TX
reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc:

Yes but putting that device on a computer can and most likely will cause more strain on the network due to pulling more data over it.

So, basically you agree that the point of the fee is to make it difficult for a user to use the 2 GB of data for which they have already paid (assuming a $30/month data plan).

I am sure that all the carriers love to charge customer a fee for minimum usage and then have them use very little data.

If you have already paid for 2 GB, you should be free to use it as you wish. If you pull more than 2 GB ("..strain on the network"), then overages increase the bill.


asdfdfdfdfdf

@myvzw.com
reply to hottboiinnc
So what? I thought we were moving to pay per use where those who use more will be paying more to offset the costs of such additional strain.


r81984
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said by asdfdfdfdfdf :

So what? I thought we were moving to pay per use where those who use more will be paying more to offset the costs of such additional stain.

LOL
Paying by the byte is not used to offset any costs. They would never go to a true pay by the byte system or sell internet less than the cost risking that enough people use enough of data to pay for the network.
The costs are already 100% covered with a great profit from your flat monthly price.
Paying by the byte is being implemented to prevent competition for TV services and to get extra profits.

Originaly with cell phones and the internet the price was very high so they charged lower up front fees and charged by the minute otherwise people could not afford it.
In 1995 bandwidth got so cheap and there was so much competition they went to unlimited and were greatly profitable. With cell phones they did the same thing. In the mid 2000s cell phone bandwidth got so cheap they started to offer unlimited minutes, unlimited internet because of competition.

Now with internet all the competition has been shutout with broadband and the companies are now regressing to charging by the byte to rip customers off. Cell companies are doing the same thing with wireless.
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ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to hottboiinnc
said by hottboiinnc:

Yes but putting that device on a computer can and most likely will cause more strain on the network due to pulling more data over it.

No it won't. Will it consume more data? Yes, but it can't pull it any faster than the network allows. The carrier is selling access at a particular speed, and that's what you're paying for.

But the real reason they don't want you to actually use that speed is because the whole affair is a bunch of smoke and mirrors. The network is oversold, sometimes badly so, but they aren't going to tell customers that. It's all a juggling act. They sell you that speed hoping that you never use it because they know they can't possibly support it if a majority of their customers take full advantage of it. It's just like the airlines overbooking flights, except for two things: First, the carriers oversell much more than the airlines do, and second, if you can't get a seat on your plane, the airlines have to compensate you and get you on another flight. If the carriers ran the airlines, you could still buy tickets, but you'd be penalized if you tried to use all the plane tickets you bought. For example, if the airline overbooked 20% of its seats, you'd be expected to not use 20% of the tickets you bought. And if you wanted to use all the tickets you bought, you'd be labeled an abuser of the system.

ISurfTooMuch

join:2007-04-23
Tuscaloosa, AL
reply to hottboiinnc
And no one said they couldn't do it. However, it's still unreasonable.

And before you say that's ridiculous because these are private businesses, that's true, but they're befitting from government-imposed subsidies in the form of access to public rights-of-way and easements. Did you personally cut a deal to allow the phone and cable companies to cross your property with their lines? No? Then I dare you to go out there and dig them up. You'll find yourself charged with tampering with their equipment, even though it's on your property without your permission. And it's all because your local or state government has decided that these companies should, in the public interest, have the right to put their facilities on your property, and you have no say in the matter.

So, if you want a true free market where it's perfectly OK for any company to be able to extract anything from you as long as it's in a contract, then let's have a real free market and force these companies to have to negotiate to cross every single piece of private property. If you're going to argue that muni fiber is unnecessary because cable TV and Internet access aren't necessary services, then let's take that to its logical conclusion and deny them rights-of-way and easements. Then, once these are true private entities that receive no government subsidies, they can do any damn thing they want.