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EGeezer
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reply to chachazz

Re: the new Yahoo! reads! your! emails!

So, now that they're scanning those 419 scams, Viagra ads and solicitation for low mortgage rates that pollute the inbox, I'll be getting "legitimate" ads for the same stuff.

Great.

If I want to communicate sensitive information, I'll use something other than email.
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rcdailey
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Well, the spam folder (and filters) should still work. It seems to be working for me with the new Yahoo mail.
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Snowy
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reply to EGeezer

said by EGeezer:

So, now that they're scanning those 419 scams, Viagra ads and solicitation for low mortgage rates that pollute the inbox, I'll be getting "legitimate" ads for the same stuff.

I've been wondering how they are going to deal with an email that contains ~100 names, addresses, CC#, CVV & Exp dates.
An educated guess puts that as happening numerous times every hour/365
Send them an advertisement for the newest illegal trading site?

LanDroid2

join:2004-12-20
Cincinnati, OH
reply to chachazz

I haven't tried it yet, but would like opinions on Hushmail for easy to use encryption.

»www.hushmail.com/
»www.hushmail.com/about/technology/


Zee5tH

join:2005-09-08
reply to chachazz

I have Yahoo Web e mail and every so often they try to get you to switch over to the new version,at the moment there is still a continue using yahoo classic e mail button.Hopingly it will stay!
Does anyone know if this also if this is valid for ISP e mail that uses Yahoo?
I have att and their e mail is yahoo.


Mele20
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reply to LanDroid2

If you use webmail, and don't care about much storage, then it might be fine. But I would have to pay $35 a year for it because I don't use web mail and I would need it to integrate into Outlook Express. I'm not willing to pay anything for what should be FREE from either my ISP (whose email addresses I use) or included with Windows.

For me this is NOT a solution. I need, at the very least, an extremely simple and free method of encryption that those I correspond with will be willing, and able, to also use either in their email client with their ISP email addresses or with whatever web email service they like or both.
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Sparrow
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reply to Lagz

said by Lagz:

That option might have been removed, but for those of us still using the classic version we aren't being forced to upgrade. I use Yahoo mail and have done so for a very long time. If they ever force me to "upgrade" I will have to rethink using them for email. I guess ad revenue wasn't enough so now they are doing this. It's sad and pathetic what free email has become now, but I guess they have to make money somehow in order to offer this service for free.

I have several Yahoo accounts for years as well and so far so good in holding to the Classic version.

I did switch one account that I rarely use to the new version and the option to switch back to Classic is indeed gone, but in one of their recent "Upgrade" emails, I did find this:

Your Alternatives
If you're not ready to upgrade now, we recommend that you upgrade soon.
You may access your current version of Yahoo! Mail, but we strongly encourage you to either upgrade to the newest version of Yahoo! Mail or review Yahoo! Mail Help for other options.

»help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/y···ion.html
What if I don’t want to upgrade to the newest version of Yahoo! Mail?
You will have the option to access your mail through Yahoo! Mail Classic.


NormanS
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

Geez...now I have to inform several persons that I will no longer communicate with them unless they use an email address other than Yahoo. :(

Not just Yahoo! There are a few ISPs which use Yahoo! servers for their email. Rogers Cable, of Canada. BT Internet, of the UK. And both AT&T and Verizon in the US. I don't know all of the domains involved, but there are eleven AT&T domains, a result of their assorted mergers over the years:

• ameritech.net
• att.net
• bellsouth.net
• flash.net
• nvbell.net
• pacbell.net
• prodigy.net
• sbcglobal.net
• snet.net
• swbell.net
• wans.net

Any of those can go through Yahoo! servers:
X-Apparently-To: {%User%}@pacbell.net via 68.142.199.153; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:18:14 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [65.54.190.84]
Received: from 207.115.20.163  (EHLO flpd246.prodigy.net) (207.115.20.163)
  by mta1034.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:18:14 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [65.54.190.84]
Received: from bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.190.84])
by flpd246.prodigy.net (8.14.4 IN/8.14.4) with ESMTP id p6DHIDB2000304
for <{%User%}@pacbell.net>; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:18:14 -0700
Received: from BAY159-DS15 ([65.54.190.125]) by bay0-omc2-s9.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675);
 Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:18:12 -0700
X-Originating-IP: [173.228.18.196]
X-Originating-Email: [{%User%}@live.com]
Message-ID: <BAY159-ds15622241073AA058AD03F5DE470@phx.gbl>
From: "NormanS" <{%User%}@live.com>
To: <{%User%}@pacbell.net>
Subject: [TEST] Routing ...
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:17:18 -0700
X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3508.1109
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3508.1109
X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Jul 2011 17:18:12.0784 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8530300:01CC4180]
 

Another ISP, DSL Extreme, has a similar arrangement with Gmail. And can be used for hosting domain email for any of a number of domains not related to ISPs. My guess is, you will just have to abandon email altogether! ;)

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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


NormanS
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

I strongly believe that email should have remained a part of Windows (not some cloud junk you install later) and should have shipped long ago (with XP) with encryption provided in Outlook Express. Email should ALWAYS have been private.

Email is way older than Windows. Older, even, than Microsoft. Email dates back to the Arpanet, where "privacy", such as it was, was enforced by the "BOFH"es who controlled access to the network.

I had an email address, or three, before Windows was released:

• '72155.1337@compuserve.com'
• 'N.MILLER@genie.geis.com'

Each of those was used in conjunction with an MS-DOS based application that pre-dated Windows (and are currently defunct email addresses).
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


NormanS
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reply to Zee5tH

said by Zee5tH:

I have Yahoo Web e mail and every so often they try to get you to switch over to the new version,at the moment there is still a continue using yahoo classic e mail button.Hopingly it will stay!
Does anyone know if this also if this is valid for ISP e mail that uses Yahoo?
I have att and their e mail is yahoo.

Under "Mail options", there is a link to "Mail classic".

at&t Yahoo! HSI web mail.

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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


chachazz
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That's not the "New" version. Once your account is silently upgraded, there's no going back.

Can I switch back to a previous version of Mail?
"We have removed the "Return to Original Mail" link from the help menu"



Woody79_00
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reply to Dude111

Re:  

said by Dude111:

I think the bottom line is THIS IS MORE THAN JUST AD REVENUE!!

This is secretly spying on people's email!! (Although they wont come out and say this)

Would using the mobile version be subject to this spying crap??

»m.yahoo.com/mail

I have 2 accounts and luckily both are on the older one....

secretly spying? I think the better term is "they are being honest about it"

Look I don't care what email service you use, or what ANY web based or ISP based email system you use, or what any Terms of Service says, if YOU don't personally HOST your own mail server, then a responsible person would ASSUME their emails are being read by someone other then you.

If the privacy of your email is "that important" then go buy yourself a cheap domain name for 10 bucks a year, and set up a Free and Open Source Mail Server...(its not hard to set up an Ubuntu Mail Server) and run your own mail server then.

if your not hosting your own email, then assume its being read...your ISP reads your email, Good luck proving it...its their mail server, they own it, they can do whatever they want...if you don't like it, Host your own mail server...


Dude111
An Awesome Dude
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reply to chachazz

Ya unfortunetly you are correct my friend!!

We dont know if ANY EMAIL PROVIDER is safe do we?


Zee5tH

join:2005-09-08
reply to NormanS

Re: the new Yahoo! reads! your! emails!

Thanks! I will keep an eye on my ISP e mail accounts I use and a couple I have not used in awhile to see if they switched them on me.



FutureMon
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reply to Woody79_00

Re:  

said by Woody79_00:

said by Dude111:

I think the bottom line is THIS IS MORE THAN JUST AD REVENUE!!

This is secretly spying on people's email!! (Although they wont come out and say this)

Would using the mobile version be subject to this spying crap??

»m.yahoo.com/mail

I have 2 accounts and luckily both are on the older one....

secretly spying? I think the better term is "they are being honest about it"

Look I don't care what email service you use, or what ANY web based or ISP based email system you use, or what any Terms of Service says, if YOU don't personally HOST your own mail server, then a responsible person would ASSUME their emails are being read by someone other then you.

If the privacy of your email is "that important" then go buy yourself a cheap domain name for 10 bucks a year, and set up a Free and Open Source Mail Server...(its not hard to set up an Ubuntu Mail Server) and run your own mail server then.

if your not hosting your own email, then assume its being read...your ISP reads your email, Good luck proving it...its their mail server, they own it, they can do whatever they want...if you don't like it, Host your own mail server...

LOL...Even if someone goes through the trouble to host their own email server - any emails they send TO people with Yahoo email addresses are going to get read anyway...so really what's the point? Even if you sent someone an email to a non-yahoo email address, they might forward it to someone who is on yahoo.

- FM
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red2

@fastwebnet.it
reply to Woody79_00

said by Woody79_00:

I think the better term is "they are being honest about it"

Look I don't care what email service you use, or what ANY web based or ISP based email system you use, or what any Terms of Service says, if YOU don't personally HOST your own mail server, then a responsible person would ASSUME their emails are being read by someone other then you.
...
if your not hosting your own email, then assume its being read...your ISP reads your email, Good luck proving it...its their mail server, they own it, they can do whatever they want...if you don't like it, Host your own mail server...

Sorry, I have a hard time buying that point of view.

This has NOTHING to do with being honest. This is without doubt a recommendation from their legal counsel to provide them some protection when they get accused of violating user privacy. Let's call it by its real name. Yahoo is a business not an altruistic organization.

This is NOT what providing mail service entitles them to. The phone company provides the phone cables. Does that give them the right to record all phone calls on THEIR lines? How about the faxes that are transmitted on THEIR lines?

It's funny how you jump from the conclusion that because your email might be read that this gives them the right to read it and to sell it. Where did you read that?

In Europe they need to get your permission before they can relay your data to a third party. That doesn't mean that someone can't read your email. But it does mean that your ISP isn't going to make it their business to supply it to others without your consent.

And when did the concept of implicit consent get enacted into legislation? How about those who are under the legal age and use email. Are they entitled to enter into a legal contract that gives away consent to having their email read and sold?

This is a far more slippery slope that you are making it out to be.

Mele20
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reply to NormanS

Re: the new Yahoo! reads! your! emails!

Yes, I know email is very old and goes back before Windows. I just thought XP would have been a good time for Microsoft to have introduced better privacy measures for OE because it was with XP that home computer use exploded.

I remember compuserv! And I fondly remember prodigy but I didn't know it was still around!
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Mele20
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reply to FutureMon

Re:  

said by FutureMon:

LOL...Even if someone goes through the trouble to host their own email server - any emails they send TO people with Yahoo email addresses are going to get read anyway...so really what's the point? Even if you sent someone an email to a non-yahoo email address, they might forward it to someone who is on yahoo.

- FM

That's right. That's why Normans is correct. You basically have to stop using email for personal communication UNLESS BOTH PARTIES AGREE TO INSTALL AND USE ENCRYPTION SOFTWARE.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson


NormanS
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reply to Mele20

Re: the new Yahoo! reads! your! emails!

said by Mele20:

Yes, I know email is very old and goes back before Windows. I just thought XP would have been a good time for Microsoft to have introduced better privacy measures for OE because it was with XP that home computer use exploded.

They were already ending development of MS Outlook Express by then. They were getting Windows Mail ready for Windows Vista. And, ultimately, starting their move to Windows Live Essentials, which is their counterpoint to Yahoo! services.

I remember compuserv! And I fondly remember prodigy but I didn't know it was still around!

Prodigy only exists as a vestige of the original. I am not certain of the timing, but somewhere along the line Prodigy was bought by SBC, either directly, or through acquisition of "The Pacific Telesis Group" (parent of Pacific Bell Telephone, which I believe became associated with Prodigy somehow).

All of those domains I listed currently belong to AT&T. They came to AT&T as the result of a series of mergers and acquisitions engineered by SBC. Prodigy ceased to exist as a company you could sign up Internet service with shortly after SBC bought The Pacific Telesis Group.
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~Oh Lord, why have you come
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DrDrew
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2 edits
reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

Yes, I know email is very old and goes back before Windows. I just thought XP would have been a good time for Microsoft to have introduced better privacy measures for OE because it was with XP that home computer use exploded.

There was/is.... S/MIME:
»technet.microsoft.com/en-us/libr···%29.aspx

It's an internet standard MS finally added to OE in Win2000.
»technet.microsoft.com/en-us/libr···473.aspx

But... it's somewhat complicated to setup and the vast majority of users never do and don't use it. Once setup, it's relatively easy to use. More info:
»www.sslshopper.com/email-certifi···tes.html
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If it's important, back it up... twice. Even 99.999% reliability isn't enough sometimes.

Mele20
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I did this »www.heypete.com/pete/secure/cert···/ie.html years ago with someone in this forum. We were experimenting with encrypted email in OE. It worked fine (irritating and time consuming to set up though). BUT no one else I communicated with at the time via email was willing to go to all that trouble to set it up and then obtain keys, exchange them, etc.
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When governments fear people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Thomas Jefferson



ironwalker
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reply to chachazz

Gpg for windows is free and works just fine, or use a free mail cert like thwate used to have.



DrDrew
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reply to Mele20

said by Mele20:

I did this »www.heypete.com/pete/secure/cert···/ie.html years ago with someone in this forum. We were experimenting with encrypted email in OE. It worked fine (irritating and time consuming to set up though). BUT no one else I communicated with at the time via email was willing to go to all that trouble to set it up and then obtain keys, exchange them, etc.

Right. That's S/MIME
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Zee5tH

join:2005-09-08
reply to chachazz

OK let me ask anyone's opinion about Hotmail? Being I did not see it in any of the posts or is it a given that M$ reads your email.



Dude111
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Sadly i think thats a given!



chachazz
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reply to Zee5tH

Re: the new Yahoo! reads! your! emails!

said by Zee5tH:

OK let me ask anyone's opinion about Hotmail? Being I did not see it in any of the posts or is it a given that M$ reads your email.



From an article 8 July 2011 @ BBC UK Newsbeat:
quote:
However, competitors Microsoft which runs Hotmail in a statement said it 'puts online privacy as a top priority.'

"Not only does Windows Live Hotmail not read users' e-mails, but we protect your inbox from anyone else accessing your e-mail with advanced security features."
Does this hold true in N. America?

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red2

@fastwebnet.it
reply to Dude111

Re:  

said by Dude111:

Sadly i think thats a given!

And what do you think are the reasons that all email suppliers are reading mail?

I'm sure that some is just idle curiosity. But that happens everywhere and does not concern me.

Some may be done following official (or not so official) requests. That concerns me but I don't think that there is much to be done about it aside from legislation that restricts the power of the Patriot act or related measures.

Some may be for "marketing" purposes, which to me is concerning. The concept is just a little too broad for comfort. What EXACTLY does that mean? Does that mean that they will use it to target advertising? Does that mean that they may sell your address and the content of your mail to those who may try to scam you? Does that mean that, for example, the RIAA can buy all this data and see if someone incriminates themselves? Since they'd be obtaining the emails legally, one could imagine that they could use it a lot more effectively than having to subpoena ISP records.

Do you think the phone company listens in on all phone calls? For what purpose?


jmorlan
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reply to chachazz

Re: the new Yahoo! reads! your! emails!

I am shocked! Shocked that Yahoo is scanning my email!

How do you suppose they filter spam without scanning?

Nothing new here except they may serve ads based on keywords just like GMail. If I'm reading email on the web, AdBlock+ takes care of all that. If I'm reading via POP3, I won't see it at all.



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reply to chachazz

Here's the letter you get:

We appreciate that you have been with Yahoo! Mail for the past 2 years. We are looking forward to bringing you an even faster, safer, easier-to-use Yahoo! Mail very soon.

If you've already upgraded to the latest Yahoo! Mail, thank you.

If not, in about a month from the date of this email, when you sign in to your Yahoo! Mail account, we will ask you to upgrade to the newest version of Yahoo! Mail. But you don't have to wait. You can have the newest Yahoo! Mail today.

You can upgrade now to the newest Yahoo! Mail if your browser is Internet Explorer 7, Firefox 3, Safari 4, or Chrome 5, or newer.


Upgrade Now

If you do not have one of these browsers, update your browser (it's fast and free) and then return to this email and click the Upgrade Now button.

If you only access Yahoo! Mail on your mobile device, tablet or via POP, it is critical that you visit overview.mail.yahoo.com on your computer to see important information about the upgrade, then review and agree to the new Communication Terms of Service and Privacy Policy.

What You Can Look Forward To When You Upgrade

* Faster email
* The latest Yahoo! Mail spam-protection technology
* Easier-to-use design
* Unlimited email storage so that you can keep everything you want

When you upgrade to the newest version of Yahoo! Mail, everything in your account (messages, folders, contacts, etc.) will be there.

Learn more about the newest version of Yahoo! Mail.

Your Alternatives

* If you're not ready to upgrade now, we recommend that you upgrade soon.
* You may access your current version of Yahoo! Mail, but we strongly encourage you to either upgrade to the newest version of Yahoo! Mail or review Yahoo! Mail Help for other options.

Thank You for Being A Loyal Yahoo! Mail User
We hope you enjoy the newest version of Yahoo! Mail.

David McDowell
Senior Director
Product Management, Yahoo! Mail

Since I do none of the above, I told them it was a POS when they asked why I'd switched back.
What they did was make YIMG take over everything. With the old version you could forbid YIMG, and still see the text. Now you have to enable for all of it, and that means you wind up with stuff you would rather not see -



nwrickert
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I never voluntarily "upgrade" yahoo mail.

In my experience the "new improved" version is always worse than the older version.

They seem to do the same with Yahoo news. They have recently improved their news page so much, that I have given up even bothering to look at it.

Maybe we need an acronym. How about IIO for Improved Into Oblivion?
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