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fifty nine

join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
kudos:2

Physical media hardly dead

Netflix itself admitted this:

quote:
Since then we have realized that there is still a very large continuing demand for DVDs both from our existing members as well as non-members. Given the long life we think DVDs by mail will have, treating DVDs as a $2 add on to our unlimited streaming plan neither makes great financial sense nor satisfies people who just want DVDs. Creating an unlimited DVDs by mail plan (no streaming) at our lowest price ever, $7.99, does make sense and will ensure a long life for our DVDs by mail offering. Reflecting our confidence that DVDs by mail is a long-term business for us, we are also establishing a separate and distinct management team solely focused on DVDs by mail, led by Andy Rendich, our Chief Service and Operations Officer and an 11 year veteran of Netflix.
I wonder why the about face.


Omega
Displaced Ohioan
Premium
join:2002-07-30
Somerset, NJ

I agree. Physical media will be around for a while.

You can only really stream at home, with the low speeds and data caps of wireless internet, streaming while mobile does not make sense.

I'd much rather bring a DVD on an airplane than wager if my airplane has wi-fi, pay money for then, and then see that the connection isn't fast enough for successful streaming.
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wiredmonkey

@sbcglobal.net
reply to fifty nine

...and yet they keep taking away features (28 day release window, etc.)



baineschile
2600 ways to live
Premium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI
reply to fifty nine

The beginning of the end

Content providers would never let Netflix get away with their business model; it means less money for everyone!

Itll only get worse in the future....then netflix (unless they become an ISP) wont be as viable, especially if the incumbant TV providers add a significant amount of OnDemand.


hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH

which at this time Comcast can with NBC Universail they own the content now and its only a matter of time until its all loaded up on to onDemand/iNDemand.


Joe12345678

join:2003-07-22
Des Plaines, IL

Direct and Dish are also part of the PPV deals and will not let cable lock them up.


gorehound

join:2009-06-19
Portland, ME
reply to fifty nine

Re: Physical media hardly dead

Poopflix cost me my job of 18 years.I really do wish they would die or better yet why don't you people get off your ass and take a nice walk to the local video store even once a week to give local economy a boost.
The more the studios gauge Poopflix the happier I am and I am sure my ex-boss is.
Come on down to Videoport in Portland,ME where human beings still serve you and taxes still goes to the state and the city of Portland.



ArrayList
netbus developer
Premium
join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL

1 edit

1 recommendation

welcome to the world of business. blame your bosses for not making their business work. they were the ones that let you go. that is, unless you worked for netflix, in that case carry on.


rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
reply to gorehound

I don't like when folks lose their job but in this case, isn't this the classic "buggy whip" situation?

Regarding physical media being dead, it's only dead because we don't have a download and play option. I'd much rather download several movies onto my laptop/tablet/phone while I'm on relatively cheap home WiFi and then watch it while I travel vs. carrying physical media. I realize that this can be done if you BUY the movie but if you just want to rent it and then discard it, there don't seem to be any good options unless you break the law and rip the DVD.


rifleman69

join:2006-04-12
Beaverton, OR
reply to gorehound

said by gorehound:

Poopflix cost me my job of 18 years.I really do wish they would die or better yet why don't you people get off your ass and take a nice walk to the local video store even once a week to give local economy a boost.
The more the studios gauge Poopflix the happier I am and I am sure my ex-boss is.
Come on down to Videoport in Portland,ME where human beings still serve you and taxes still goes to the state and the city of Portland.

Unless the rental is $1.00 a night, you're falling further and further behind.


ToxicDrew
Premium
join:2001-09-24
reply to gorehound

Sorry I just won't pay a video store $5.99 to rent a new release movie that I probably won't even like and make a trip to rent it and then meet a deadline to return it or I get charged more.
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r81984
Fair and Balanced
Premium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
Reviews:
·row44
reply to wiredmonkey

said by wiredmonkey :

...and yet they keep taking away features (28 day release window, etc.)

Says the anonymous guy working for ATT trying to ruin neflix and the rest of the internet with caps.

All the features they keep taking away is because of 3rd parties trying to screw over netflix.
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...brought to you by Carl's Jr.


r81984
Fair and Balanced
Premium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
Reviews:
·row44

1 recommendation

reply to gorehound

said by gorehound:

Poopflix cost me my job of 18 years.I really do wish they would die or better yet why don't you people get off your ass and take a nice walk to the local video store even once a week to give local economy a boost.
The more the studios gauge Poopflix the happier I am and I am sure my ex-boss is.
Come on down to Videoport in Portland,ME where human beings still serve you and taxes still goes to the state and the city of Portland.

So your video store company making bad management decisions is netflix's fault? Netflix did not cost you your job, your own company just failed and based on your attitude it was probably partly you fault.
If your video store was very profitable they could of had the money to start their own by mail rental option before neflix.
I do not know why you hate netflix. If it wasn't them someone else would have created DVDs by mail. They just implemented a profitable plan first.

Also why would anyone want to pay for a brick and morter DVD rental store? You can create a vending machine for DVDs like redbox which does the exactly the same thing.

It sucks you lost your job, but it was your company that failed to innovate not netflix that cost you your job.
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...brought to you by Carl's Jr.


MrMaster
jetsetter
Premium
join:2000-12-16
St Thomas, VI

1 recommendation

reply to Omega

said by Omega:

I agree. Physical media will be around for a while.

You can only really stream at home, with the low speeds and data caps of wireless internet, streaming while mobile does not make sense.

I'd much rather bring a DVD on an airplane than wager if my airplane has wi-fi, pay money for then, and then see that the connection isn't fast enough for successful streaming.

just rip the dvds and convert. Then either load the movies to your device or put them on a flash drive if you don't have the space.
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hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to Joe12345678

Re: The beginning of the end

the correct spelling of DirecTV is NOT DirectTV- There is only 1 T and that's in TV- DirecTV.

Also DirecTV/Dish have those deals with the content providers to release right away; cable has the same deals. And nobody said nothing about cable- it's only NetFlix.



lunflix

@sbcglobal.net
reply to gorehound

Re: Physical media hardly dead

I rented a dvd from Blockbuster one time and returned it on the due date. i went into the store to return it but they wouldn't accept it. Told me that i had to drop it in the return bin from outside the store. I did and i was charged a $4.00 late fee. contacted the company but the late fee stayed. Paid it and never rented/bought anything from Blocckbuster again. And look what happened to them. are they still around? In my area, they are gone.


hottboiinnc
ME

join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
reply to r81984

And if NF doesn't change their business plan and innovate they will go the way of Blockbuster soon. Content companies want $$$ and they'll get it or NF will start losing some very nice movies that they like to rent.

RedBox is the only one that really has the $$$ to take on Netflix in the actual media area. RedBox as LITTLE to no employees- unless you count the ones that stock the boxes - which they hire contractors to do that (always looking on Craiglist) and they're owned by CoinStar. About the only way you can cash in your change now since banking fees have gone up for that now too. RB pays a few grand to a store to but a box...connect it to the Internet and BOOM! its done. No need for distro centers.


pandora
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
kudos:2
reply to MrMaster

We shall change our service to streaming only. $8 per month for DVD's is too high imo.



88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

said by pandora:

We shall change our service to streaming only. $8 per month for DVD's is too high imo.

Gee just 2 yeara go I was paying $4 to rent just ONE dvd at Movie Gallery.


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness
reply to wiredmonkey

said by wiredmonkey :

...and yet they keep taking away features (28 day release window, etc.)

All bullshit. If you wanted to see a movie so fucking bad you would have gone to the theater. The fact is the average time a movie goes form theater t DVD decreases every year. Even with teh 28 days window movies come to Netflix on dvd FASTER than they did just 3 years ago. heck I remeber back in the 80's waiting 18 MONTHS for a movie to come on VHS from the theater.


r81984
Fair and Balanced
Premium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
Reviews:
·row44
reply to hottboiinnc

said by hottboiinnc:

And if NF doesn't change their business plan and innovate they will go the way of Blockbuster soon. Content companies want $$$ and they'll get it or NF will start losing some very nice movies that they like to rent.

RedBox is the only one that really has the $$$ to take on Netflix in the actual media area. RedBox as LITTLE to no employees- unless you count the ones that stock the boxes - which they hire contractors to do that (always looking on Craiglist) and they're owned by CoinStar. About the only way you can cash in your change now since banking fees have gone up for that now too. RB pays a few grand to a store to but a box...connect it to the Internet and BOOM! its done. No need for distro centers.

Without government regulation to force the internet to be unrestricted and uncapped netflix streaming will die no matter what. The only thing Netflix can do is basically license their name to be used by the movie studios or just sign away most of their profits. If they do not do this then the studios will simply charge netflix a fortune for content, team up with ISPs/TV companies to create their own online video streaming site, and then use that ISP partnership to allow their site to be cap free while netflix users will be forced in a low GB cap. Netflix streaming will die pretty damn quick at no fault of their own.
Content providers and ISPs must be separate. All an ISP should be is a dumb pipe to the internet.

The only way to save netflix streaming is net neutrality so that all the content providers will have to compete evenly on price.
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armed

join:2000-10-20
reply to 88615298

Yep! Right on the nail head



cableties
Premium
join:2005-01-27
reply to 88615298

IMHO,

Understand that Netflix will:
-acquire its own studios (small independents)
-provide content EXCLUSIVE to Netflix
-There is a "substantial" user base and integrated devices with Netflix.
-Netflix is considered a household brand name, like cable...
-Advertising is coming, regrettably
-the subscriber base will allow more leverage to get its own content (much like artists and iTunes...) MPAA is in for it, they are just a slow monolith using politics...instead of brains.

Movie tickets are $10+ around me. More for 3D flicks (and few and far between are worth risking $15 per person to see, along with the headaches).
Since studios are now considering their own streaming-models (a big fail, waste of revenue IMHO) to release, it will be like there are (%$&@!) channels of TV (to choose from...)

The consumer wants an affordable price media. They will pay, but not be gouged.

(I dropped the media part for now. I don't like paying $9/month for a late fee ... sometimes I have a DVD sitting there for a week or more before I can even watch it! Add the bluray cost --- a BS cost if ever there was one as there is no HDDVD competitor, and BR titles are now released more, re-boots, and lower cost. )

In all, Netflix will continue media rental because they can get those titles. They can't get streaming titles as much do to rights and ... dare I repeat... greed.
(Rentals help mail but add overhead. Streaming saves overhead, but ISPs want a cut. Studios want their 1st run deals with Dish, OnDemand and media sales. What a box Netflix opened!... Atleast Blockbuster got its nads kicked!)
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pandora
Premium
join:2001-06-01
Outland
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Reviews:
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·Google Voice
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·Future Nine Corp..
reply to 88615298

said by 88615298:

said by pandora:

We shall change our service to streaming only. $8 per month for DVD's is too high imo.

Gee just 2 yeara go I was paying $4 to rent just ONE dvd at Movie Gallery.

Generally we don't watch DVD's, our last check out was about 3 months ago. We shall locate it, return it, and cease the DVD plan. It would cost less over a year to purchase a DVD as wanted every few months.

The last DVD we bought was How to Train Your Dragon. It has been recorded to 2 of our DVR's, and we haven't used the DVD since purchase.
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PhoenixDown
FIOS is Awesome
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join:2003-06-08
Fresh Meadows, NY
kudos:1
Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
reply to gorehound

said by gorehound:

Poopflix cost me my job of 18 years.I really do wish they would die or better yet why don't you people get off your ass and take a nice walk to the local video store even once a week to give local economy a boost.
The more the studios gauge Poopflix the happier I am and I am sure my ex-boss is.
Come on down to Videoport in Portland,ME where human beings still serve you and taxes still goes to the state and the city of Portland.

You cried about this last time. Blockbuster was the best thing to happen - it revolutionized the rental industry and brought tremendous benefits to customers. Netflix took it a giant step further.

But in regards to your loss, do you feel the same way about Apple, last I checked they are renting movies now too.
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disconnected

@snet.net
reply to MrMaster

said by MrMaster:

just rip the dvds and convert. Then either load the movies to your device or put them on a flash drive if you don't have the space.

Not a good idea, unless you want your stuff seized at Customs. They are now checking electronic devices for porn, illegal content and copyright infringment at US borders. Don't cross any borders with illegally ripped material!


88615298
Premium
join:2004-07-28
West Tenness

1 recommendation

reply to gorehound

said by gorehound:

Poopflix cost me my job of 18 years.I really do wish they would die or better yet why don't you people get off your ass and take a nice walk to the local video store even once a week to give local economy a boost.

You know if you've worked in a video store for 18 years you have MUCH bigger issues than Netflix.

You know why we don't get off our asses? Ok try not charging an arm and a leg. Try actually having videos in I want to watch instead of wasting my time and gas money? If I bring in a movie 30 minutes before close make the damn worker check it in instead of charging me a late fee because it didn't get checked in until the next day because the worker was in too big of a hurry to get off work.


ff1324
Everybody Goes Home
Premium
join:2002-08-24
On Four Day
reply to disconnected

said by disconnected :

Not a good idea, unless you want your stuff seized at Customs. They are now checking electronic devices for porn, illegal content and copyright infringment at US borders. Don't cross any borders with illegally ripped material!

How can they prove it was copied illegally? There's no discernible difference between the "digital copy" of Toy Story 3 on my iPhone and the DVD ripped copy on my daughter's iPod.
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Brainy142

join:2009-09-15
Schomberg, ON
reply to disconnected

do you have a source?



NickD
Premium
join:2000-11-17
Princeton Junction, NJ
reply to hottboiinnc

You could take all your change to a casino and cash it in, casinos still have coin sorting machines since slot machines used to take and pay out coins.