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Re: Stupid unions don't know when they are being played I dont even know what the AFL-CIO/CLC is.
I only have personal experience with unions, I dont know union lingo or who is what.
said by JakCrow:What exactly are you expecting the unions to do when teachers are attacked by the republican party constantly? Especially when the right for workers to collectively bargain is being stripped away state after state? For someone that claims to vote democrat, you sure seem to have drunk the fake-conservative kool-aid.
If they can't do anything they need to stop taking peoples money. I dont care if there are unions, but I do like texas's real right to work law that does not make unions illegal, but leave it 100% up to the worker and if the worker choses not to join they do not have to pay dues. There are cases where unions are needed, but there definately are cases where all the union does is collect dues and is worthless.
The teachers in my family will still be forced to pay dues if they do not join the union, it is a joke. The union has no incentive to do anything as no teacher has an option to not pay them.
It should always be 100% up to the employee.
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said by JakCrow:said by heat84:said by JakCrow:...teachers, that fight honestly for their members every day. The teachers union honest? You must be joking. Have you not heard of "Tenure"? It prevents teachers from being fired no matter how inept they are. Yeah, that's real honest.  You can back up this exaggerated and often stereotypical talking point of actual cases, right? Watch Waiting for Superman.
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said by JakCrow:Your "message" is nothing more than a partisan talking point. Why should it or you be given legitimacy when you're parroting such rhetoric?
Grats on ducking the issue twice without addressing the actual topic of discussion. That takes talent. |
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 ThespisI'm not an actor, but I play one on TV.Premium
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said by r81984:The teachers in my family will still be forced to pay dues if they do not join the union, it is a joke. The union has no incentive to do anything as no teacher has an option to not pay them.
It should always be 100% up to the employee.
Do they teach in Texas? I belong to an organization that provides me with liability insurance and legal council if I get sued, but not a union. I was not forced to join anything, however it would be foolish of me to teach without some protection.
I always hear people talking about "the teacher's union". Which union would that be?
Yep, I'm a teacher. I am not a union member.
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r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
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I cannot understand why a teacher would need liability insurance if they are not doing anything illegal, but certainly to have liability insurance for a teacher would be very, very cheap compared to union dues.
I would think the school/employer would have liability insurnace to protect everything in the building from kids to workers/teachers so the teachers would not have to pay anything.
You are lucky, in many states teachers are forced to join the union.
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A. You will be protected against a broad range of exposures, including the following allegations (whether those allegations are true or false):
•Injuries to students under your supervision
•Failure to educate
•Violation of students' civil rights
•Hiring unqualified persons
•Failure to promote students or grant credit
•Improper methods of instruction
•Accusations of sexual or physical abuse
That is crazy that a teacher could be sued for these things if they are no doing anything illegal. They need a law to protect teachers from frivolous lawsuits.
It makes no sense to get sued just for doing your job while following the law and that the employer would not protect their employees.
I wonder if there is manager insurance for all the incompetence, lol.
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said by JakCrow:said by moonpuppy:said by JakCrow:We will pretend that events in Wisconsin, Ohio, etc, where the republican state politicians have been taking huge shits all over state workers like the teachers isn't the primary reason teachers make crap wages. What happened? Did a union worker slap you in the face and call you sally once?
Nice how you left out Trenton, NJ with its Democratic mayor that laid off almost a third of the police force which were union members. There's a hole in your "rebuttal" The city plans to layoff as many as 120 police officers and at least 40 firefighters in response to cuts in state aid, a report in the Times of Trenton said.
Trenton is dealing with about a $44 million gap in revenue after Gov. Chris Christie's proposed budget cuts, according to the report. The city also plans to close at least one firehouse and get rid of all police overtime, the report said. Now pop quiz: police and firefighters are being laid off because the democratic mayor hates union workers, or because there's a budget shortfall? Will you get it right? I see. So your 'rebuttals' are basically:
1. When a republican cuts unions it's an attack against unions.
2. When a democrat cuts unions it's because of budget cuts.
Seriously now? And you were talking about people having nothing but partisan talking points?
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Palo Alto, CA | said by Metatron2008:I see. So your 'rebuttals' are basically:
1. When a republican cuts unions it's an attack against unions.
2. When a democrat cuts unions it's because of budget cuts.
You seem confused. Not only are budget cuts unrelated to state republicans attacking the right of workers to bargain collectively, but you don't understand what local governments are forced to do when their budgets are undermined by cuts made by their state's governor.
said by Metatron2008:Seriously now? And you were talking about people having nothing but partisan talking points?
You're aware how absurd you look trying to equate two unrelated issues, right?
said by Metatron2008:You've contributed nothing other then flame and present your one sided argument. Do us a favor and stop.
Whereas I could post some vapid and unsubstantiated claims about unions and you'd be agreeing with me without question. Please set me to ignore so I don't have to keep talking to you. |
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Wyoming is a Right to Work State Look at Wyoming we are a Right to work State. As of May 2011 Wyoming has a 6% unemployment rate, which is high for Wyoming it usually runs less then 5%. The Public employee retirement fund including teachers is well funded and not in trouble. Wyoming's budget is not running a deficit, our constitution makes that illegal. We keep what we call a rainy day account where extra money not spent each year is salted away for times when there is economic down turn. We have no state income tax. Wyoming does not tax everything that walks crawls and fly's. When I look at all of the trouble States such as Illinois, or California that, because of public service unions and decade after decade of liberal Democratic control, are bankrupt. Wyoming's Democrats would be considered tea party types in other states. Oh and just to make some of you scream Dick Cheney was born and grew up 77 mile north of where I am sitting in Wheatland, Wyoming.
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Re: Stupid unions don't know when they are being played said by JakCrow:There's a hole in your "rebuttal"
The city plans to layoff as many as 120 police officers and at least 40 firefighters in response to cuts in state aid, a report in the Times of Trenton said.
Trenton is dealing with about a $44 million gap in revenue after Gov. Chris Christie's proposed budget cuts, according to the report. The city also plans to close at least one firehouse and get rid of all police overtime, the report said.
Now pop quiz: police and firefighters are being laid off because the democratic mayor hates union workers, or because there's a budget shortfall? Will you get it right?
The democrat mayor must hate union workers because he did not raise taxes at the local level to pay for these union workers. 
See how this works?
The reality is that unions have demanded salary increases every year during good and bad times and taxpayers have to pay for it through higher taxes and fees. Someone comes along and tell the unions no and it becomes and anti-union action.
Baltimore City had a similar action where the union workers demanded tax hikes to pay for their salary increases. Nice to know they can demand pay hikes on the backs of tax payers when everyone else is looking for work. |
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I regret the day I ever said you don't need a union. I can tell you from first hand experience that a company keeping it's workers so happy that they think they don't need a union goes out the window when tshtf. |
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