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[SWX] Joplin Tornado, Before and After

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Wow. I was stationed 10 miles away from Sedalia, Missouri for their Memorial Day storms in 1976 when they were struck by three tornadoes in one night and that was the worst destruction I have ever seen. This brought back some visual memories and this was worse. Having a multi-vortex F5 tornado grind away at your city and you won't have much left. I know the people out there are tough as nails and they'll rebuild.
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Doesn't say how long after the after is, but rather surprised to though all trees gone, virtually all the rather tall wooden power poles are still intact
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said by Hayward:

Doesn't say how long after the after is, but rather surprised to though all trees gone, virtually all the rather tall wooden power poles are still intact

My guess is that was long enough time for a lot of cleanup and power restoration work. If you look at a lot of the trees you can see some good regrowth occurring that probably would have happened the following year.


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said by ropeguru:

said by Hayward:

Doesn't say how long after the after is, but rather surprised to though all trees gone, virtually all the rather tall wooden power poles are still intact

My guess is that was long enough time for a lot of cleanup and power restoration work. If you look at a lot of the trees you can see some good regrowth occurring that probably would have happened the following year.

It has only been a month since the Joplin tornado.
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said by Hayward:

Doesn't say how long after the after is, but rather surprised to though all trees gone, virtually all the rather tall wooden power poles are still intact

I would guess around a month.
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The video was probably taken in June... The tornado happened on Sun., May 22, 2011. A friend of mine went down to help three days after the tornado struck. She could not believe all the destruction. In fact, we went by Joplin the day after the tornado hit. What w saw was unnerving enough and we were not in the worst of the damage path.



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said by ropeguru:

If you look at a lot of the trees you can see some good regrowth occurring that probably would have happened the following year.

It's been barely 3 mo yet.
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said by burner50:

said by Hayward:

Doesn't say how long after the after is, but rather surprised to though all trees gone, virtually all the rather tall wooden power poles are still intact

I would guess around a month.

Which again amazes me, trees and homes gone but those tall awkward wooden poles still intact.

But maybe why so tall.... so trees wouldn't fall on them. And otherwise low wind profile. (but not dense enough community to have a lot of big heavy wide profile transformers on top of them or they were off to the side of the main line on local poles)
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Or they were replaced be fore the video was shot as mentioned before.

Power poles go down easily in tornadic storms.



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Well again no date for the after, but would be surprised so many could be replaced in a short time.... especially ones that uniquely tall.

But again without heavy transformers (likely on the neigborhood feeder poles), and maybe why so tall (unusually so), so trees falling wouldn't take them down and still low wind profile. You realy don't see the poles off to the sides.

And for wooden poles thes are tall... not having a tape measure but average wild tree is at least 30-50ft tall and theses poles well above that.

In last decade here in KW important wooden poles have been replaced with steel core concrete poles, and our power outages are much less, and quick resotore but for very local problems even after hurricanes.

While media might make you think so, Tornadoes are nothing new and unique to Joplin... likely why designed that way.

And before someone jumps on me this was absolutely an exceptional tornado.... but again not a unique occurrence except in intensity... western MO/Joplin is well in fringe Tornado Alley or very sever thunderstorms regularly and not unusual and yet those transformer less main lines above tree level did survive, though neighborhood and transformer laden poles they fed maybe did not (not seen) but also easily severed after, and main power artery maintained.

While not the high tension line most might envision on a local level it certainly is... and needs to stay intact.... higher than trees (again unusually so) and low wind loaded.... sever the branches and keep the artery alive.

Anyone in the Joplin electric industry want to chime in on that observation?
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said by ropeguru:

said by Hayward:

Doesn't say how long after the after is, but rather surprised to though all trees gone, virtually all the rather tall wooden power poles are still intact

My guess is that was long enough time for a lot of cleanup and power restoration work. If you look at a lot of the trees you can see some good regrowth occurring that probably would have happened the following year.

Again not even really 3 months yet. What you see are trees not totally blown away... not real regrowth.... that takes years.
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Those are new telephone poles.



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said by kingdome74:

Those are new telephone poles.

Agreed. It really doesn't take long at all to replace a pole line when you have thousands of electrical contractors working together.

Those were simple poles too.
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After our ice storm in 1998 there were no electrical poles of any kind standing. Even the huge steel ones that carry the trunk power lines off the grid were flattened. The poles they put up to get Watertown, NY back on where I was living all had to be replaced again during the course of the next couple of years because they were untreated and not meant for our weather. There were hundreds of trailer loads of poles brought up here from all the country just to get our electricity back up. In January, needless to say, it was a priority.
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Crews from various power companies have been down to assist. Crews had to get the power back up and running. Thousands of trees lost branches. Did you not notice in the before picture all of the trees? It will take awhile for trees to be that green again in Joplin. I have photos of damage that an EF3 tornado did near Hot Springs, AR. I took the pics on May 21st and the tornado hit on April 25th of this year. I have also seen where the EF4 tornado came thru Mountain View, AR. I was down there in May 2009 and you could definitely tell where the Feb. 5, 2008, tornado went thru.



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said by simplykristi:

Crews from various power companies have been down to assist. Crews had to get the power back up and running.

Yeah that why I was wondering how long after the after part was. But also noted the poles on that road were taller than most of the trees and not top weighted with big transformers so they might have survived pretty well vs leafy trees would not.

PS been to several of the MO springs and they are beautiful. Was a one that was Blue something, almost looked like tropical reef in the shallows until you felt how cold the water was.
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said by Hayward:

said by simplykristi:

Crews from various power companies have been down to assist. Crews had to get the power back up and running.

Yeah that why I was wondering how long after the after part was. But also noted the poles on that road were taller than most of the trees and not top weighted with big transformers so they might have survived pretty well vs leafy trees would not.

They didn't survive. That is a brand new pole line.
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Yep all pretty new poles, and fresh shinny new wire. If there is any doubt (which I have none) just look at the base's of the poles where you will see a fresh pile of dirt where they bored them in. Also note that many of the poles that previously had transformers on them no longer do since there are no buildings left to service.

After the tornado came through and cleared everything out, it was easy of the power crews to drop new poles.



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said by Hayward:

But maybe why so tall.... so trees wouldn't fall on them. And otherwise low wind profile. (but not dense enough community to have a lot of big heavy wide profile transformers on top of them or they were off to the side of the main line on local poles)

Those are not really not all that tall, they appear to be standard class 4 or 5 by 35 footers.

Also there are a few of them with single phase transformers in place.

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