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Davesnothere
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Cirque de CRTC - 2011-77 Rebuttals, Day 5, Public Hearings

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Audio feeds :

Floor :
»www.crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-floor.htm
Floor Raw :
»www.crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-floor.asx
English Raw :
»www.crtc.gc.ca/streaming/stream1-eng.asx
English MMS address for VLC Player :
»mms://STREAMER.crtc.gc.ca/stream1-english

I expect these to be OK as they were said to work other days.

VLC Player allows the Volume to be boosted to up to 400%, which may partially compensate for mumbling, but not for GigaMICE, etc.

~> 9 A.M. start ?


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[TRANSCRIPTS LINK LIST]

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NOTE : Today's thread reached 172 viewers at around 3:30 PM and 190 viewers at about 4:45 PM.

said by resa1983:

Transcripts don't include any schedules, graphs, etc - which the opening remarks submissions to the CRTC DO include.

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TRANSCRIPTS LINK LIST

said by resa1983:

CNOC's rebuttal : »www.crtc.gc.ca/public/ubb/CNOC3.pdf

Cable companies' rebuttal : »t.co/Rhw7L8N
Complete with previously ### data. - Following Distributel's lead, and including GRAPHs

Shaw's rebuttal : »t.co/dA87DJv

Telus's rebuttal : »t.co/PLDPlyL

said by resa1983:

said by geokilla:

Did Canadians win the battle against UBB ? Open Media re-tweeted the following :

Bell withdraws from punitive aggregated volume pricing scheme. - Will table another cost-based yet still volume-based proposal. #CRTC #UBB

No. - B#ELL's proposing ANOTHER pricing scheme. - Starts in a few....

said by resa1983:

B#ELL's Written rebuttal : »t.co/iRM0SNp
Ahh.. More ##### ### ### Bhell.

B#ELL's Oral Rebuttal : »t.co/zvalPfN

said by JGROCKY:

Search "usage" in the Q2 2010 reports.... »bce.ca/data/documents/reports/en···2_10.pdf

Search "bandwidth usage" in the 2010 Q3 reports too.... »bce.ca/data/documents/reports/en···3_10.pdf

Search Fibe TV to see just how disconnected the "Internet Investments are.... Seems pretty connected to me! Q4 2010 »bce.ca/data/documents/reports/en···r-en.pdf

Search "data" for a view of what usage means to wireless and wireline plans... Q1 2011 »bce.ca/data/documents/reports/en···1_11.pdf



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Revised Schedule for This Week

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Note that now JF and MTS not only get to rebut BHell's original statements, but also can rebut BHell's rebuttal, if they can take a few new notes quickly enough.

»www.crtc.gc.ca/Telecom/eng/HEARI···8_07.htm

UPDATE : The above link seems to have gone dead.

There were two schedule amendments, the last of which (July 15th) resulted in the below sequence, courtesy of AndyB :

»/r0/download/1···ion1.pdf

»/r0/download/1···ion2.pdf

These were emailed to participants and NOT posted on the CRTC web site, AFAIK.

(NOTE : JF's revision post immediately next below is of the first revision and is now outdated.)

said by jfmezei:

Agenda / Oral Rebuttal, Phase II
Revised on July 15, 2011

PHASE II - Oral Rebuttal

Commencing Monday 18 July 2011 - 9:00 A.M.

CNOC-CORC (Canadian Network Operators Consortium Inc. / Consortium des Opérateurs de Réseaux Canadiens Inc.)

Appearing together
Cogeco Cable Inc., Quebecor Media Inc. on behalf of its affiliate Videotron, Rogers Communications Partnership
(collectively, the Cable Carriers)

Shaw Cablesystems G.P.

BCBA (British Columbia Broadband Association)

TELUS Communications Company

Bell Aliant Regional Communications, Limited Partnership and Bell Canada
(collectively, the Companies)

[Stopped at 5 PM]

Commencing Tuesday 19 July 2011 - 9:00 A.M.

Vaxination Informatique - JF Mezei

Appearing together
Jatinder Bhullar
World Broadband Foundation - Munly Leong
Claude Hénault

MTS Allstream Inc.

Andrew Moore (Consumer)

PIAC/CAC (Public Interest Advocacy Centre and the Consumers' Association of Canada / Centre pour la défense de'intérêt public et l'association des consommateurs du Canada)

OpenMedia.ca & CIPPIC (Canadian Internet Policy & Public Interest Clinic of Samuelson-Glushko)

Appearing together
Primus Telecommunications Canada Inc.
Distributel Communications Limited


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Note that CIPPIC and PIAC have switched places. Steve Anderson had an important date with japanese twins (yes, Twins Basil ! Twins !!!) back in Vancouver and couldn't come back for monday.


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said by jfmezei:

....Steve Anderson had an important date with Japanese twins (yes, Twins Basil ! Twins !!!) back in Vancouver and couldn't come back for monday.

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Just when everyone is conjuring up mental images, I gotta ask : Female Twins ?

And speaking of mental images, the labelling of this week's proceedings as an 'Oral Rebuttal' strikes me as somewhat lewd and lascivious.

Butt we cannot allow double-entendres to distract us from the matter at hand (or CAN we ?), so on with the Show !
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I hereby re-christen BHell to B#ELL, in recognition of the many ####'s in their Abridged (numbers in confidence) submissions to the CRTC.

I Left BHell ONCE Already - Now they want my Indie ISP to Pick my Pockets FOR them !

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An encore !

Hi Oh ! Hi Oh ! It.s off to Ottawa I go


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Re: Cirque de CRTC - 2011-77 Rebuttals, Day 5, Public Hearings

It's normally an 8:30...

Edit... I stand corrected... stream notice says 9AM.

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Approaching Hawthorne in 3km. Train still on-time. They are making the announcement we are to arrive in 10 minutes. Traveling at 153km/h

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Hawthorne is the start of entry into Ottawa (yards etc)


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Revised LYRICS

said by jfmezei:

An encore !

Hi Oh ! Hi Oh ! It.s off to Ottawa I go

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I OWE, I OWE, so off to work I go....

Knock 'em Dead !

Well, at least hurt their feelings a bit.

BTW, there's a Timmies on Hawthorne.


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Re: Cirque de CRTC - 2011-77 Rebuttals, Day 5, Public Hearings

I'll be posting my own independent six minute video rebuttal on YouTube tonight. There's a few things I need to get off my chest even though the CRTC is unlikely to consider what I have to say.

Just frustrated that the CRTC has gone along with this farce of a billing system for so long.
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Watch my future television channel's public test broadcast!
»thecanadianpublic.com/live

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Re: Revised LYRICS

Got to hearing room at 09:01.... Ouf !!!!

And it begins

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video feed or Just CC TV for the room?!
Who am I kidding they can't do audio how could they manage live stream video


alienzzz
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Re: Cirque de CRTC - 2011-77 Rebuttals, Day 5, Public Hearings

Started recording but missed the first 15 minutes.

bbhog

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Fibic, from his very first word is making me sick

MaynardKrebs
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Bibic's at it again - conflating time-of-use with AVP billing
Asshole.

and the CRTC won't see it. Idiots.

odis172
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Agree. I better stop listening, I'm going to have a flipout at my desk


lifestronaut
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Bibic - "We're prepared to accept that our AVP rates should be based on cost."

Huh.. what??


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said by MaynardKrebs:

Bibic's at it again - conflating time-of-use with AVP billing
Asshole.

and the CRTC won't see it. Idiots.

quick! someone make a all your bandwidth are belong to us meme!

DabberDan

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Any link to the charts?

DabberDan

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It's cutting out already? This early ?

ForSaken

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fine here

resa1983
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Did he just say Mr. Bibitch?


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Dis he just say BibiTCH? LOL!

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said by bbhog:

Fibic, from his very first word is making me sick

ARGHHH! Stone the infidel!


alienzzz
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said by resa1983:

Did he just say Mr. Bibitch?

It is the correct pronunciation actually...

odis172
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Shouldn't the incumbant network be able to support full saturation on all of the links they are selling, at the same time?

Is this where the "congestion" comes from, because they cannot do that?


Arbalister

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He keeps harping on the same thing. "If we use 95th percentile billing, they're going to try to use their whole pipe!"

Um.

If I pay for a gig-E, and I pay fully for a gig-E, I want to use a gig per second. Period. I don't give a damn if my using the full gig per second that I AM PAYING FOR causes you to have to expand your capacity. Selling me a Gig-E and saying I can only use 50% of it only means that you sold me something you can't bloody deliver.