koreybOpen the Canadian Market NOW join:2005-01-08 Etobicoke, ON |
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Re: Cirque de CRTC - 2011-77 Rebuttals, Day 5, Public Hearingssaid by wefdgdfhf :Does anyone have today's recording in mp3? I second that... I missed the fun.. but watched my twitter go crazy on it |
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Hmm...functional separation. I...I like the sound of that. Does that make me a communist, mommy? |
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said by JGROCKY:Capex is blended internet and iptv spending! See Bell's Q4 financial details... I'M pretty much sure it includes backhaul for cellphone data as well. Same for business MPLS data, lanx services, etc... Everything Bell is circulating on that very same network. Claiming congestion originates from a specific part of the traffic without proving it does not make it true. |
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JGROCKY
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2011-Jul-18 5:52 pm
said by Cyborg994:said by JGROCKY:Capex is blended internet and iptv spending! See Bell's Q4 financial details... I'M pretty much sure it includes backhaul for cellphone data as well. Same for business MPLS data, lanx services, etc... Everything Bell is circulating on that very same network. Claiming congestion originates from a specific part of the traffic without proving it does not make it true. True. |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada 2 edits |
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said by Cyborg994:said by JGROCKY:Capex is blended internet and iptv spending! See Bell's Q4 financial details... I'M pretty much sure it includes backhaul for cellphone data as well. Same for business MPLS data, lanx services, etc... Everything Bell is circulating on that very same network. Claiming congestion originates from a specific part of the traffic without proving it does not make it true. . What ?! You mean that B#ELL's wired network carries traffic for B#ELL Cellular & Virgin Canada & Solo & PC branded cell accounts ? And while we're at it, for Telus and all of its sub brands, as B#ELL & Telus share a HSPA cell tower infrastructure ? Who KNOWS what ELSE they are not telling us - OR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS ?! |
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Don't forget Mirko's long lost cousin Mark77 over at RFD (or alter ego, not sure which), » forums.redflagdeals.com/ ··· 1058337/Still defending Bell at every opportunity. Wonder how he'll respond to today's proceedings. |
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said by Treegravy:Hmm...functional separation. I...I like the sound of that. Does that make me a communist, mommy? . By MY ear, it has a nice 'RING' to it ! - Get it ? B#ELL & RING ? (see my left margin) |
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Good little write up on 95th percentile in wikipedia.... » en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bu ··· _billing |
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GuspazGuspaz MVM join:2001-11-05 Montreal, QC |
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2011-Jul-18 6:14 pm
It's so simple. Sort the samples, discard the first 5%, take the next value.
Here's a practical example. I'll do 75th percentile to simplify, but 95th is identical (just discard 5% instead of 25%). I have the following samples:
2 9 5 8
Sort them:
9 8 5 2
Discard top 25%:
8 5 2
Take the first value in the list: 8.
I am billed for 8 somethings. |
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8 Tetrakrauts! |
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Cogent gives me 90th percentile! |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada |
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. 8 COOKIES !
UM-NUM-NUM-NUM !!! |
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MaynardKrebsWe did it. We heaved Steve. Yipee. Premium Member join:2009-06-17 |
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said by koreyb:said by wefdgdfhf :Does anyone have today's recording in mp3? I second that... I missed the fun.. but watched my twitter go crazy on it 3rd that. I had to step out to a meeting for several hours and missed the fun. |
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Is there any other hearing tomorrow, and if so, what are they about? |
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said by Davesnothere:said by Cyborg994:said by JGROCKY:Capex is blended internet and iptv spending! See Bell's Q4 financial details... I'M pretty much sure it includes backhaul for cellphone data as well. Same for business MPLS data, lanx services, etc... Everything Bell is circulating on that very same network. Claiming congestion originates from a specific part of the traffic without proving it does not make it true. . What ?! You mean that B#ELL's wired network carries traffic for B#ELL Cellular & Virgin Canada & Solo & PC branded cell accounts ? And while we're at it, for Telus and all of its sub brands, as B#ELL & Telus share a HSPA cell tower infrastructure ? Who KNOWS what ELSE they are not telling us - OR THEIR SHAREHOLDERS ?! Yes. It does not make sense to build a seperate network for each type of data, when you already own one that covers all your territory. This is why Videotron was capable of deploying their cellphone service that fast, they only had to build the towers and connect them to their existing network. |
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said by Guspaz:It's so simple. (...) I am billed for 8 somethings. That's really clear and helpful. Thank you. |
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After these rebuttal proceedings..how long does the CRTC allow themselves to come to a decision? |
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andyb Premium Member join:2003-05-29 SW Ontario |
andyb
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2011-Jul-18 7:21 pm
As long as it takes.Probably anywhere upto 6 months or more |
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said by andyb:As long as it takes.Probably anywhere upto 6 months or more Back in february, when asked about the reasons behind the adoption of UBB, KvF repliedmumbled that he didn't remember the exact terms on why they approved it, «it was months ago!». So they may as well take a decision as soon as the hearings are over and take a few months before publishing it. On the other hand, at those same hearings, KvF repeated that it was an urgent matter because Bell is still losing money over IISP's bandwidth hogs and congestion still growing over time. |
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Since I missed everything today and just read a few pages on the thread
tl;dr: Bell 0 - Good Guys 1 ? |
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resa1983
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2011-Jul-18 8:16 pm
said by weales:Since I missed everything today and just read a few pages on the thread
tl;dr: Bell 0 - Good Guys 1 ? Bell -5; Good Guys 1 Bell got ragged on badly by everyone, including the commission. Was awesome listening to Bibic lose his cool, and start yelling at the commission. |
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neko
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2011-Jul-18 8:20 pm
Please someone post audio of today's proceedings, I missed the whole thing! |
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said by wefdgdfhf :Does anyone have today's recording in mp3? yes. |
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t45t45wtg
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2011-Jul-18 8:43 pm
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said by acanacmlppp :from $190 a TB to $178 a TB and what bunch of profiteering can we bring back the crimes from profiteering or even more ancient, sin to profit off of family. BCE IPTV is only 4$ a TB |
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said by resa1983:Bell got ragged on badly by everyone, including the commission. Was awesome listening to Bibic lose his cool, and start yelling at the commission. Bell tripped all over the place in the morning but they lined up their ducks much better in the afternoon. My personal impression was more like a 0-0 tie since it seems like incumbents managed to get their point across that 95th percentile which is fine for the massively aggregated ingress+egress of transit providers does not adequately represent costs in the far less aggregated and far less symmetrical first/middle-mile network. |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada |
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said by jfmezei:said by wefdgdfhf :Does anyone have today's recording in mp3? yes. . and the other days ? |
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I second that request |
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said by resa1983:Bell -5; Good Guys 1
Bell got ragged on badly by everyone, including the commission. Was awesome listening to Bibic lose his cool, and start yelling at the commission. I can't say I'm disappointed to hear that, however let's not assume that a favorable outcome today is the end of this sordid business. I have to say though... I was very very impressed by today's proceedings. |
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DavesnothereChange is NOT Necessarily Progress Premium Member join:2009-06-15 Canada |
. Which media were represented there ?
CBC ?
The Globe ?
And was Prof Geist there ? |
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