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slynerve

join:2011-04-11
reply to NormanS

Re: Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act

said by NormanS:

said by slynerve:

said by NormanS:

Oh, great. Now we not only have political chauvinism, but religious chauvinism. Time to lock this thread.

That's a nice persecution complex you got going there.

Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!

Oh, really? How exactly are they out to get you? Can you list five ways that "liberals" have negatively affected your life/the life of your loved ones? Because I can sure as hell list more than five ways Republicans have negatively impacted me and those close to me in very direct ways.


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said by slynerve:

Oh, really? How exactly are they out to get you? Can you list five ways that "liberals" have negatively affected your life/the life of your loved ones? Because I can sure as hell list more than five ways Republicans have negatively impacted me and those close to me in very direct ways.

Seems that I have struck a nerve.

1. California gun control (approaching a point of confiscation).
2. California sales taxes (approaching confiscatory percentages).
3. California land parcel fees (end runs around Proposition 13).
4. California land use restrictions (beyond normal zoning requirements).
5. California court ruling requiring home schooling parent to have teaching credentials.
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slynerve

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You're damn right you touched a nerve.

You sit there and complain about trivial personal freedom fluff that are essentially non-issues to anyone who actually pays attention to someone other than themselves.

The following are Republican policies and practices that have directly affected me and my loved ones and severly altered our lives.

1: My transsexual cousin cannot marry the man she's been in a commited relationship since she graduated high school four years ago because she had the misfortune of being born a man. She's already been denied hospital visitations and other "rights" normal people take for granted.

2: My fiance and I are in a committed, loving relationship. We have sex. Should an accident ever happen - and sometimes they do - Republicans are trying to foist a child we'd not be ready for upon us. Same if she ever gets raped. We want children, but not in our mid-20's. It should be our decision, and more importantly, it should be HERS. Abortion is not birth control and nobody uses it like that. Nobody except the most callous of people goes into such a huge decision with no thought of what they're doing. I've volunteered at Planned Parenthood with her and I've seen the emotional turmoil this causes firsthand, and thus know the "abortion being used as birth control!" line is completely mythical.

3: The defunding of Planned Parenthood strips away another resource the lower-middle class like my fiance and I can use to stay in good health.

4: My grandmother worked her whole for Social Security and Medicaid. Now she's struggling to find an employer who will hire a woman in her 70's AND provide benefits for her and my grandfather, who cannot work due both a healed broken back and lack of cartilage in his knees from years of labor as an electrician. Now Republicans want to gut these programs or change them for the worse, effectively forcinng her out of retirement.

5: The Republican push to strip the DNR of need money to provide clean drinking water puts my life and my fiance's in danger, plain and simple.

These are actually real life concerns. Sorry if I have no sympathy because you can't own an assault rifle.


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said by slynerve:

These are actually real life concerns. Sorry if I have no sympathy because you can't own an assault rifle.

Your opinions. They are no more important to me than my "trivial" concerns.

1. I was not aware that transsexuals couldn't marry.

quote:
... in 1998, a trial court in Orange County, California affirmed
the validity of a marriage involving a trans sexual man. The case arose
when the wife sought to invalidate the marriage in order to deprive her
husband of his parental rights vis-a-vis the couple’s child, who was born
through alternative insemination. Fortunately, the trial court rejected the
wife’s argument that the transgendered husband should be considered
legally female and refused to nullify the marriage.

»ws.copernic.com/clickserver/_ice···Url=true

Apparently not an issue, here, in California. And, in Texas, of all places, apparently transsexuals who are homosexual can marry (though I did not actually follow that link).

2. They apparently have not succeeded in California.

3. And I recall when the United Way defunded BSA; a large part of the reason I don't contribute to them any more.

4. I am not a "protected minority", and find that, as an over-50 non-minority, jobs are hard to come by. Who put special treatment of "protected minorities" in effect? Not the Republicans.

5. A search on "DNR water" was inconclusive, so I don't have a clue what that is about. I can find references to a number of states, but California is not one of them.

Everything you mention in your list is applicable under "personal liberties", and either just as trivial as my list, or just as important.

And I don't see how I should have any more sympathy for you than you have for me.
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slynerve

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Simple: I'm not from California. Members of my family are - Needles and San Diego, repectively. None of that applies to me or the people I'm talking about.

Well, maybe: my uncle in Needles has more guns than I can count and has no problem with the gun laws. I often go shooting with him when I visit. The only differences I've noticed between there and here are smaller magazines and the lack of fully automatic weapons. As far as I can tell, there's no roving bands confiscating guns. He has an entire arsenal he came by legally.

You've addressed a few points in my post, but one thing stands out: protected minorities. Sorry, but this comes off as vaugely racist. You imply that because they are "protected minorities" they don't work and instead live off the government teat. You are wrong.

If you've ever spent time with people on government aid, you'd know that no one likes being on it. Sure, everyone hears stories about welfare queens, but have you ever met one? I've been around poor people on government aid my whole life, and not one of them didn't jump at the chance to live on their own two feet.

It's another strawman used by anti-tax groups to bash wasteful government spending that doesn't exist.

I may be young but I've seen a lot of the world, and I don't like it one bit.


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said by slynerve:

You've addressed a few points in my post, but one thing stands out: protected minorities. Sorry, but this comes off as vaugely racist. You imply that because they are "protected minorities" they don't work and instead live off the government teat. You are wrong.

That damned "racist" chestnut, again. I am not speaking of welfare.

I may be young but I've seen a lot of the world, and I don't like it one bit.

Neither do I. And it appears this debate is more about whose oxen are being gored than anything else.
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said by slynerve:

You've addressed a few points in my post, but one thing stands out: protected minorities. Sorry, but this comes off as vaugely racist. You imply that because they are "protected minorities" they don't work and instead live off the government teat. You are wrong.

I hate the whole idea of "protected minorities". Once you single out any of those groups, now that is racist. Equal opportunity is right, affirmative action is not.

The list goes on.....
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