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Re: Ah yes More like a poor state (which almost always also means a red state, of course). But they keep buying that "keep the gub'mint out of my Medicare" and "we've got a spending problem" rhetoric that the TeaTards keep spewing, so they stay poor. |
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Why is it necessary to use a derogatory term like "TeaTards"? I don't think you adequately explain how being a red state makes it poor. Alabama was heavily Democratic until the 1980s, and was relatively much poorer than it is today. |
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| Of course it was a stronghold for Democrats, when "Democrat" in that part of the country meant the KKK and White Citizens' Councils and "segregation forever" and opposing all social progress for 100 years--also known as extreme conservatism. Unfortunately it was so far behind the rest of the country even post Civil Rights in the 1980s that it's much poorer than the rest of us to this day. |
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| reply to Papageno Ah, another libtard that automatically buys liberal propaganda and automatically calls anyone conservative, from a red state, or from the south is stupid.
Tell you what, lets have a battle of wits, why not? I've seen plenty of dolts like you online and I can assure you that my IQ, mathematical abilities, knowledge, etc, is far greater and the only thing you can do better is insult. |
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| reply to Papageno said by Papageno:More like a poor state (which almost always also means a red state, of course). But they keep buying that "keep the gub'mint out of my Medicare" and "we've got a spending problem" rhetoric that the TeaTards keep spewing, so they stay poor. I would prefer government stays out of health care, especially the DEA.
As for the spending problem, you don't feel borrowing money from China to give to Pakistan is a "spending problem"? |
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I think I've heard better insults from kindergartners. |
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| said by 45612019:"libtard"
I think I've heard better insults from kindergartners. quote: my IQ, mathematical abilities, knowledge, etc, is far greater and the only thing you can do better is insult.
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 | Great, you can use the quote button, it's a shame you can't be an adult and have a mature conversation about this, when you say things like "libtard" that's what makes "liberals" stereotype about conservatives, because there are too many people like you would rather say that than actually have a mature rebuttle and be an adult.. oh wait you watch Fox News and stereotype about liberals, I know far more conservatives who use the government more than "liberals", shut up and get out of your hole there bud and see the real world. |
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| said by gol32 :Great, you can use the quote button, it's a shame you can't be an adult and have a mature conversation about this, when you say things like "libtard" that's what makes "liberals" stereotype about conservatives, because there are too many people like you would rather say that than actually have a mature rebuttle and be an adult.. oh wait you watch Fox News and stereotype about liberals, I know far more conservatives who use the government more than "liberals", shut up and get out of your hole there bud and see the real world. Hey einstein, libtards started the flaming...
And as for you, since you don't like the word 'libtard' how about idiot? I never watch fox or any news, I get mine from sites like this or [H]ardforum, and I spend my time either learning things or going to the gym.
Do you know any mathematics beyond basic math? Try me anytime. I bet you are as dumb as you sound. |
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 Wyngs join:2010-02-20 Coos Bay, OR | reply to Metatron2008 said by Metatron2008:Tell you what, lets have a battle of wits, why not? I've seen plenty of dolts like you online and I can assure you that my IQ, mathematical abilities, knowledge, etc, is far greater and the only thing you can do better is insult. Ahh, if you believe that education necessarily means wisdom, then you've lost already. |
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 Wyngs join:2010-02-20 Coos Bay, OR | reply to DataRiker said by DataRiker:I would prefer government stays out of health care, especially the DEA.
As a democratic socialist, I believe the necessities of life should be provided at COST. Health care should be a huge co-op. As manager of this co-op, who is better positioned then the government?
The insurance companies have doctors and patients by the throats. They siphon off 1/3 of the gross, and put 1/6 back in payouts - while providing nothing else at all.
I'm all for one-payer health insurance, but the corporate propaganda machine has been successful in demonizing the word 'socialist,' successful at demonizing 'unions', and will continue to feed on us when we are ALL poor.
For those 'rugged individulists' who think this is good, welcome to your dog-eat-dog world. |
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4 edits | I'm a libertarian so I find your views insane.
Actually, they are literally impossible. I don't mean in the sense that It would be hard to do, or people wouldn't want to do it.
I mean technically impossible. At cost healthcare , like the proverbial "free energy" in chemistry / physics just can't happen.
Competent doctors are just too scarce of a resource, and even greater complication is that most of a doctors expense is intangible experience and training. |
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 funchordsHelloPremium,MVM join:2001-03-11 Yarmouth Port, MA kudos:5 | reply to Wyngs said by Wyngs:Health care should be a huge co-op. [...]
The insurance companies have doctors and patients by the throats. They siphon off 1/3 of the gross, and put 1/6 back in payouts - while providing nothing else at all. So what's stopping the co-op? It would be hugely successful! It would cost consumers more than a third less and pay providers about double what they're getting now! That's a fine non-socialist solution that would beat the current situation by competition. -- Robb Topolski -= funchords.com =- Cape Cod, MA -- KE1MO Tweet! Tweet! -- »twitter.com/funchords |
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 ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium join:2003-03-31 Racine, WI | reply to Papageno The poorest states are the red states, they're also the ones with the highest dependence on federal funding just to keep going since they have such low revenue.
Freedom not to pay taxes means you're free to also not partake in things like roads. |
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 ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium join:2003-03-31 Racine, WI | reply to joebear29 Never heard of the "Blue Dog" democrats in name only, or the racist democrats still pining for Jim Crow? There here quite allot of those down there.
You can't take the party name to mean anything, our system is incredibly roken because it only allows for 2 parties, every attempt to remedy that problem has been shot down by those in power since if there where suddenly 30 viable parties to choose from they couldn't get elected.
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 ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium join:2003-03-31 Racine, WI | reply to DataRiker Nobody says the doctor doesn't get paid near to the same he's making now, the difference is you're cutting out the useless middlemen that provide nothing, you don't need the insurance companies and and our state colleges have always done a much better job of doing the medical research and drug development then the big pharma companies that see no reason to find cures, just to treat symptoms and act as legal crack dealers. -- Please visit »freespeech.org -|- »democracynow.org -|- »libertynewstv.com -|- »innworldreport.net -|- »motherjones.com -|- »indymedia.org -|- »rt.com/usa/ -|- »english.aljazeera.net/programmes/faultlines/ |
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 ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium join:2003-03-31 Racine, WI | reply to funchords It's being done in a few places, the big problem is the barrier to entry with the big insurance companies doing all they can block them out of the market.
But even they aren't necessary and still costs more then full single payer for all. |
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| reply to Parogadi I prefer massive tort reform, then going to see a doctor would rarely require insurance anyway.
Also, private insurance should be adjusted by waistline as its done in Japan, since that is the most accurate predictor of your overall health.
This is a massive incentive for people to get healthy, because as it stands societal pressure seems nonexistent. |
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 ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium join:2003-03-31 Racine, WI | Huh? Tort reform would do nothing to remove the health insurance racket.
The societal pressure is there, the access to cheap healthy food isn't. Try going to the ghetto, all food within reasonable distance of you has the salt, sugar and fat in it to clog your arteries just looking at it.
When you've got nothing whats the better deal? The ¢.80 Kraft mac n powdered "cheese" or the $1.50+ per pound apples?
Cities like where I live this is the norm, but we also have allot of vacant lots around and allot of park land with nothing productive growing in it, they could make a dent by at least replacing the ash trees they're cutting down due to Emerald Ash Borer infestation with a mix of fruit trees, since most of these parks are actually closer then the grocery stores. I also know from experience as my grandparents that lived in the ghetto for 40 years had alum tree and where constantly chasing the neighborhood kids out of their yard, none of them ever went to waste...
As for Japan, I'm pretty sure thats going to change now to how close to Fukushima* you live, since many people are heavily limiting their time outside.
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4 edits | Americans are so illogical.
The insurance racket you claim, is a product of an entirely unhealthy nation combined with too much litigation for health providers.
A government run health system provides solution to none of the above.
As for the apples to cheese comparison, the government can't regulate stupidity. Numerous studies suggest that eating healthy, makes people eat less, much much less ( insulin response, rebound hunger, ect... )
Anecdotal evidence for me all but proves it. I eat all organic mostly vegetables, beans, and rice. And I spend less than people who eat fast food 3 -4 times a day. I also consume about 1/2 the calories they do as well. |
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