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GNca George
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Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Freedom is not free, free men are not equal, and equal men are not free.

The government is not very interested in your freedom, they are quite satisfied with your obedience. And we are on our way to lots more of that relating to copyrights and the Internet in the omnibus crime bill coming to a parliament near you this fall...

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Another thoughtful piece by Canada's Privacy Commissioner

Respecting Canadians' Privacy in the Decade After 9/11
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/je ··· 780.html

Too bad it'll fall on deaf ears in Ottawa.
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It's a US article but has implications here too on cell phone tracking.
»online.wsj.com/article/S ··· 574.html

Check the article out now before it disappears behind the WSJ paywall.
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said by elwoodblues:

The problem is the core constituency runs around saying if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

The Goverment will ignore all this trust me, and it won't resonate with the majority of the public (who have the same mentality as above), not realizing their rights are being unsurped.

If this goes through it will make it's way to the SCC, but by then Harper may have appointed more "like minded" Justices.

Think of the children, those unscrupulous pedophiles leering at naked little children don't you want them and the websites off the net? (I do,but I'm sure they have less the "public" methods of obtaining their materials).

Or even terrorists, we to know when someone is looking a bomb making sites.

The spin machine with unlimited dollars (your tax dollars at work) will be bigger, bolder and more widespread then a few Youtube videos(sorry Milnoc) made for Openmedia.

Just this week alone, the opposition, in light of the problems in Europe wanted a economic update, and the government having the majority , shut down any independent depositions.

so lets put cameras in your bedroom, bathroom and your house and hey lets put devices in you to make sure you do as we say not as we do.

FACT is EVERYONE gets CREEPED OUT when they are overly watched. THIS is what a warrant is supposed to be about , are you acting suspiciously NO..move along.

FACT is if harper dont scrap the prison crap and the jets were on a course like italy and greece. NUFF said.
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CBC also reported yesterday that the omnibus bill does not contain the lawful access legislation ....

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What does it matter if law enforcement has access to ip logs without a warrant when ISP keep logs for 5+ years as it is right now which is ridiculous. If they have any type of reasonable doubt they will get the warrant anyway.

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Some clarification on Lawful Access should arguing points be required:

»www.michaelgeist.ca/cont ··· 020/125/
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said by El Quintron:

Some clarification on Lawful Access should arguing points be required:

»www.michaelgeist.ca/cont ··· 020/125/

This bit... "Moreover, based on the prior bill, it will establish a comprehensive regulatory structure for Internet providers that would mandate their assistance with testing their surveillance capabilities and disclosing the names of all employees who may be involved in interceptions (and who may then be subject to RCMP background checks)."

Just hire employees who can't pass an RCMP background check, then no assistance can be given.

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Here comes the bill (man this government is on fire...).

»www.parl.gc.ca/HousePubl ··· &File=12

Bet on the quality of the debate?
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September 27, 2011 — The Minister of Industry and Minister of State (Agriculture) — Bill entitled “An Act to amend the Copyright Act”. 27 septembre 2011 — Le ministre de l'Industrie et ministre d'État (Agriculture) — Projet de loi intitulé « Loi modifiant la Loi sur le droit d'auteur ».


September 27, 2011 — The Minister of Industry and Minister of State (Agriculture) — Bill entitled “An Act to amend the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act”.

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Wonder what this one is all about...could it be about anonymous internet posting, or simply not giving your correct name when questioned by police??

September 27, 2011 — Mr. Richards (Wild Rose) — Bill entitled “An Act to amend the Criminal code (concealment of identity)”.

27 septembre 2011 — M. Richards (Wild Rose) — Projet de loi intitulé « Loi modifiant le Code criminel (dissimulation d’identité) ».
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Here's another little beauty about changes to PIPEDA

»www.parl.gc.ca/LegisInfo ··· 5&Mode=1

(12) Section 7 of the Act is amended by adding the following after subsection (3):


Lawful authority

(3.1) For greater certainty, for the purpose of paragraph (3)(c.1)

(a) lawful authority refers to lawful authority other than
-- (i) a subpoena or warrant issued, or an order made, by a court, person or body with jurisdiction to compel the production of information, or
-- (ii) rules of court relating to the production of records; and

(b) the organization that discloses the per­sonal information is not required to verify the validity of the lawful authority identified by the government institution or the part of a government institution.


Paragraph 7(3)(c.1) of the Act is amended by striking out “or” at the end of subparagraph (ii) and by adding the following after subparagraph (iii):

......., or

(v) the disclosure is requested for the purpose of performing policing services that are not referred to in subparagraph (i), (ii) or (iv);

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7(3)(c.1)(v) is a loophole big enough to drive a Challenger jet with Peter MacKay on-board through -- if it were me being asked to produce anything, I'd be demanding written verification, otherwise it might just be a cop in the service of a political party or a fed with a grudge against somebody .

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»www.huffingtonpost.ca/20 ··· 027.html

But what has privacy experts worried is a new provision that allows organizations to hand over personal information about individuals to law enforcement and private investigators without a warrant. And, when the law enforcement agency requests it, the organization can be forbidden from notifying the individual in question that their information has been passed on.

It’s that secrecy clause that has some privacy experts comparing the PIPEDA amendment to the USA Patriot Act, a massive law passed with little debate in the wake of the 9/11 attacks that civil liberties advocates have criticized as being a major expansion of the U.S. government’s ability to spy on private citizens.

"This particular amendment appears to create a provision similar to those in the USA Patriot Act," Vincent Gogolek, executive director of the B.C. Freedom of Information and Privacy Association, told CBC. He described the bill as containing “some real dangers.”

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»www.marketwatch.com/stor ··· 11-09-29

Proposed amendments would make it clear that organizations may collaborate with government institutions, such as law enforcement and security agencies that have requested personal information, in the absence of a warrant, subpoena, or order.
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An ISP who stands up for its customers
»Sonic.net Fought For Tor Developer's Rights [25] comments

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said by MaynardKrebs:

An ISP who stands up for its customers
»Sonic.net Fought For Tor Developer's Rights [25] comments

Aye, read that y'day too... and they do seem to be kindred spirits with how we envision TekSavvy, at least I'm hopeful.

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Laws of the 21st century: Access legislation clarified
»news.nationalpost.com/20 ··· arified/
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»news.nationalpost.com/20 ··· arified/

"The act would also give the RCMP and CSIS the authority to conduct background security checks on any employees who are involved in intercepting communications."

--- So, if you were a small-time ISP and none of your employees passed the background check - would you be required to assist? or would you be required to fire your employees?

"Mr. Stamatakis said this sort of additional power would be exercised to investigate only the most serious crimes, including child pornography, organized crime and terrorism."

Or criticism of the government.

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said by MaynardKrebs:

»news.nationalpost.com/20 ··· arified/

"The act would also give the RCMP and CSIS the authority to conduct background security checks on any employees who are involved in intercepting communications."

--- So, if you were a small-time ISP and none of your employees passed the background check - would you be required to assist? or would you be required to fire your employees?

"Mr. Stamatakis said this sort of additional power would be exercised to investigate only the most serious crimes, including child pornography, organized crime and terrorism."

Or criticism of the government.

Yes indeed, Herr Harper cannot take criticism very well.
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Privacy Commissioner weighs in

Privacy watchdog sounds alarm on Conservative e-snooping legislation
»www.theglobeandmail.com/ ··· 2215907/

Privacy watchdog urges caution in beefing up surveillance measures
»www.thestar.com/news/can ··· measures


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Why lawful access legislation should not be allowed
»blog.privacylawyer.ca/20 ··· uld.html

Privacy Commissioner Ann Cavoukian: Privacy invasion shouldn’t be ‘lawful’
»fullcomment.nationalpost ··· 2%80%99/
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Ontario Privacy Commissioner's letter to the Minister on Lawfull Access:

»t.co/Cm3teZu1

(leads to a .pdf document, as tweeted by Michael Geist)

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said by jfmezei:

Ontario Privacy Commissioner's letter to the Minister on Lawfull Access:

»t.co/Cm3teZu1

(leads to a .pdf document, as tweeted by Michael Geist)

The link you provide gives a 404.

The correct link should be:

»www.ipc.on.ca/images/Wha ··· ance.pdf

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Ontario Information and Privacy Commissioner call out the Public Safety Ministers' and Harpers' lies on "lawful access"

»www.nationalpost.com/new ··· ory.html

I must correct the inaccuracies in Minister Vic Toews' letter.

The proposed surveillance bills will capture information that bears little resemblance to "phone book information." The public does not have access to this information, nor should they - it goes far beyond address and phone number. Consider just one of the new threats to our fundamental freedoms: police could force telecoms to provide the name, address and unique device number of people (enabling online tracking) who posted comments on newspapers' websites under pseudonyms - without a warrant, without explanation and in secret. This should only be accessible through a courtordered, judicial warrant. This is unacceptable: 88 pages of new powers, without matching judicial safeguards.

One of the many complexities glossed over, the government's surveillance capacity, risks transforming telecoms into agents of the state. Much of our online activity is an extension of our in-home personal life. Everyone wants to stop child predators, but responding to this by eroding our online privacy illustrates a dated zero-sum mentality. Subjecting innocent individuals to unwarranted surveillance can have devastating consequences. Properly designed powers can assist law enforcement and also respect the rights of ordinary Canadians - we must have both. We must resist any further erosion of our fundamental freedoms and liberty.

Ann Cavoukian, Information and Privacy Commissioner, Ontario.


Will he reply, or run and hide and pretend not to have seen anything?
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said by Round 3 :

Ontario Information and Privacy Commissioner call out the Public Safety Ministers' and Harpers' lies on "lawful access"

»www.nationalpost.com/new ··· ory.html

I must correct the inaccuracies in Minister Vic Toews' letter.

The proposed surveillance bills will capture information that bears little resemblance to "phone book information." The public does not have access to this information, nor should they - it goes far beyond address and phone number. Consider just one of the new threats to our fundamental freedoms: police could force telecoms to provide the name, address and unique device number of people (enabling online tracking) who posted comments on newspapers' websites under pseudonyms - without a warrant, without explanation and in secret. This should only be accessible through a courtordered, judicial warrant. This is unacceptable: 88 pages of new powers, without matching judicial safeguards.

One of the many complexities glossed over, the government's surveillance capacity, risks transforming telecoms into agents of the state. Much of our online activity is an extension of our in-home personal life. Everyone wants to stop child predators, but responding to this by eroding our online privacy illustrates a dated zero-sum mentality. Subjecting innocent individuals to unwarranted surveillance can have devastating consequences. Properly designed powers can assist law enforcement and also respect the rights of ordinary Canadians - we must have both. We must resist any further erosion of our fundamental freedoms and liberty.

Ann Cavoukian, Information and Privacy Commissioner, Ontario.


Will he reply, or run and hide and pretend not to have seen anything?

A: Run and hide and pretend not to have seen anything.

If he replies, it will no doubt be in an insulting manner to Ms. Cavoukian.
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Will he reply, or run and hide and pretend not to have seen anything?

He will do a "Tony Clement". He'll defer all questions to Baird. (Or perhaps defer all questions to Tony Clement who will then defer to John Baird).

For those who do not realise it, politicians's expertise in spying is limited to what they have seen in "24", "Spooks" or "James Bond". and they don't realise that accessing anyone's data isn't just pressing a button and all of a sudden you get to see all their traffic.

They may be in for a rude awakening.
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Re: Privacy Commissioner weighs in

A Privacy Lawyer on Lawful Access

What's the justification for warrantless access to customer data in "lawful access"
blog.privacylawyer.ca/2011/11/justification-for-warrantless-access-to.html

Raises some good arguments.
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Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

'Lawful Access' Online Spying Law Could Kill Small Internet Providers In Canada, Industry Group Says

»www.huffingtonpost.ca/20 ··· politics

“The degree of network monitoring and surveillance they’re asking for is alarming in terms of its costs,” CNOC President Bill Sandiford told the Huffington Post. “If [some of these] small ISPs need to spend $1 million to be compliant … that could mean the end of them.”

Sandiford, who is also president of Toronto-based Telnet, said he saw the legislation as “excessive,” and cited his own ISP's cooperation with police investigations as evidence the current system is working.

“We’ve co-operated with law enforcement many, many times over the years,” he said, but if the cost of co-operation skyrockets, “who’s going to compensate us for this?”

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Very well done piece by Parsons:

The Anatomy of Lawful Access Phone Records
»www.christopher-parsons. ··· records/

It goes to show how the Public Safety Minister, Vic Toews, is lying through his teeth.

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Another well done piece by the director of cippic, Philippa Lawson.

Bill C-12 and “Lawful Authority” Under PIPEDA
»www.slaw.ca/2011/11/23/b ··· re-41340

It centers around the interpretation of "lawful authority".

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said by More Goodies :

Another well done piece by the director of cippic, Philippa Lawson.

That should read, "ex-director" of cippic.

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RIM and foreign WIND are hiring "lawful access" jockeys to give your info out.
»www.indeed.ca/jobs?q=%22 ··· ccess%22

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Open Media has one of their lawyers debunk some common lawful access talking points:

»openmedia.ca/blog/guest- ··· e-spying