Topic 'Lawful Access articles - collection' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Thu, 23 May 2013 14:57:40 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Online Spying Bill Would Have Given Police Power To Find Out All About You: Privacy Commissioner
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/22��994.html

The Harper government's recent bid to give police more information about Internet users would have unlocked numerous revealing personal details — from web-surfing habits to names of friends, says a new study by the federal privacy watchdog.

The online surveillance bill was effectively a digital key to determining someone's leanings, the people they know and where they travel, says the office of Privacy Commissioner Jennifer Stoddart.

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The privacy commissioner's study, initiated while the bill was still before Parliament, says the government's characterization "grossly misconstrues and underestimates" what can be gleaned from the data with a bit of additional effort.

"In general, the findings lead to the conclusion that, unlike simple phone book information, the elements examined can be used to develop very detailed portraits of individuals providing insight into one's activities, tastes, leanings and lives."

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Tue, 12 Feb 2013 21:21:12 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : »www.christopher-parsons.com/blog···tercept/

Lawful Access is Dead; Long Live Lawful Intercept!

Most recently, the politics surrounding C-30 led to the death of the bill, though aspects of it have already crept into other pieces of federal legislation. While Canadians and advocates have arguably been successful in repelling lawful access (again), it’s important to recognize that some facets of the legislation were migrated outside of the Parliament many months ago. The death of C-30 does not mean that non-Parliamentary processes will similarly be killed. Specifically, facets of the lawful access legislation have been advanced by Industry Canada during the Department’s 700MHz consultation under the guise of modernizing lawful intercept capabilities.

...the CWTA wrote that

there has been no enabling legislation passed by Parliament that would require such services be intercepted, and submits that it is inappropriate for the Department to impose such requirements via a COL –particularly at a time when the Government is engaged in a legislative process covering the lawful access issue at a broader level. The COL should reflect the legislative requirements that exist at the time the licences are issued, and not be crafted in anticipation of legislative requirements that may or may not be in force at some point in the future.

Other carriers, such as Eastlink, Wind, MTS Allstream, Quebecor, Rogers, TBayTel, and TELUS shared sentiments similar to Bell’s and the CWTA’s. The CWTA’s comments are especially poignant in light of the government’s retreat from Bill C-30: lawful access has been largely dropped, but this has not corresponded with statements from Industry Canada or Public Safety indicating that either Department is stepping away from modernizing lawful interception requirements.

Data flowing from USB HSPA+ modems would be subject to lawful intercept, as would data linked to tethered mobile phones, as would email, text messages, an other communications emitted directly from mobile devices. In essence, the government wants carriers to be capable of preserving any data that is received by, or transmitted from, wireless devices that use licensed spectrum.

The changes that are proposed by Industry Canada represent a significant expansion of what communications could be placed under surveillance. There is a qualitative and quantitative difference between circuit-based and radio-based communications, insofar as entirely new means of communication may be captured (e.g. email, streaming music and video usage, TV-watching, gaming over wireless networks, etc) and more communication potentially falls under the auspice of this requirement because of the broad definition of ‘radio-based’. Thus, whereas carriers previously had a limited set of clear interception requirements, this simple change in language would substantially expand what they would be required to be able to intercept and preserve.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:03:10 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Privacy watchdog seeking compromise for Tories’ Internet surveillance bill
»business.financialpost.com/2013/···ce-bill/

....Benyekhlef, a former federal prosecutor who is now director of the university’s Centre de Recherche en Droit Public, concludes that the federal bill is inconsistent with the Charter of Rights because it allows warrantless access to subscriber information.

“There is tradition in Canadian law that the state must have a warrant before exercising its search or seizure powers,” Benyekhlef said in an interview.

He proposes a five-step process in which the authorities would first apply to a court for an order seeking subscriber data. This could be done in person, by paper or on the phone.

A judge or justice of the peace would review the application to ensure it sets out “reasonable suspicion” that the Criminal Code or other federal law has been breached and that the information sought relates to the alleged offence.

If the application conditions are met, a signed order would be provided to the investigator, who could then present it to the legal division of an Internet provider. The provider would then be required to hand the investigator the data and maintain a record of the transaction.

The privacy commissioner’s analysis of the proposal points out its similarity to the production order powers currently available to authorities seeking financial and commercial information, in place since 2004.

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My concern is that so far there has been no discussion of monitoring ANY system such as this proposal, or indeed any other, for serious or systemic abuses by the Feds, law enforcement, or a too cozy relationship with any judge or JP. There needs to be some sort of 'sunlight' clause in any legislation which permits the public/newspapers/etc... to see what is going on, and who is doing it, and how often, and for what types of cases.

In fact, I see the option of including Justices of the Peace as warrant issuing authorities as problematic. I would want the warrant issuance limited to judges.

I would also expect ISP's to 'man-up' and post monthly stats on their own web sites as to the number of warrant (or without warrant) disclosures of customer information, by province, and maybe by city - so we can have a view into the frequency & locations of such requests.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Tue, 08 Jan 2013 14:08:00 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :
Online Spying Bill: Privacy Czar Tries To Broker Internet Surveillance Compromise
»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol···7033343/
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/01/08···855.html

The federal privacy watchdog is trying to help the Conservative government find a compromise in its contentious bid to bolster Internet surveillance powers.

A blueprint solicited by the privacy commissioner's office proposes new procedures to give police and spies key information about Internet users while retaining the principle of judicial oversight, a memo obtained under the Access to Information Act shows.....

The federal legislation would allow police, intelligence and Competition Bureau officers access to Internet subscriber information — including name, address, telephone number, email address and Internet protocol address — without a warrant. An IP address is the numeric label assigned to a computer on the Internet.

Currently, release of such data, held by Internet service providers, is voluntary.

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Hell, the government doesn't need C-30 .... they can get the information by simply claiming a copyright violation just like Voltage has done. Presto, chango, hand over the information right f!cking now.

It keeps on going and going and going...

Fri, 13 Jul 2012 12:21:40 EDT

slivers posted : CSIS advising Toews on online surveillance bill

»www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story···den.html

Bill C-30 - Vic "Babysitter Banger" Toews is at it aga

Wed, 11 Jul 2012 21:05:25 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : »www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2···ill.html

The controversial online surveillance Bill C-30 would help police catch criminal suspects such as Luka Rocco Magnotta more quickly, according to briefing notes for Public Safety Minister Vic Toews prepared in the aftermath of the gruesome killing of Jun Lin.

The documents drawing a link with the Magnotta case and Bill C-30 were drafted and circulated by senior officials June 4 — the same day the suspect was arrested in Berlin and more than a week after the crime occurred.

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Under the heading: "Could Bill C-30 have helped locate [suspect] Luka Rocco Magnotta earlier?" two memorandums decline to comment on specifics of the investigation because it is continuing, but go on to say the bill "would provide police with tools that could prove useful in similar cases."

"Bill C-30 would give authorities quicker, more reliable access to electronic information that can help catch criminals faster, which would be especially useful in cases where the suspect intends to flee or seriously harm another individual," it reads.

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The document package also includes an email circulated to government officials containing a blog posting by internet specialist Michael Geist, a law professor at the University of Ottawa.

At the time the story was developing, Toews said C-30 would be useful and relevant in such cases, but declined to comment specifically on the potential merits of the bill for the Magnotta case.

But Geist disputes the proposed internet surveillance legislation would have anything to do with a case like Magnotta's.

"By the time the evidence began to accumulate, he was already in Europe," Geist told CBC News. "The claim that C-30 would have made a difference is simply false — there is no evidence that law enforcement ran into problems tracking down his location to Europe and ultimately making the arrest."

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As for the specific four claims made in the documents, Geist says there is "far less than meets the eye." He notes:

ISPs already disclose subscriber information 94 per cent of the time without a court order. For the remainder, there is no evidence that obtaining a warrant for this kind of case poses a problem.
A preservation order still requires a warrant — it is not immediate as suggested in the Q&A documents.
There is no evidence that there are delays in obtaining warrants.

And little Stevie "Me Too, Me Too" Harper

Fri, 22 Jun 2012 13:18:02 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : A Note to Congress: The United Nations Isn't a Serious Threat to Internet Freedom—But You Are
»www.theatlantic.com/technology/a···/258709/

"The reality is that ~~Congress~~ Parliament increasingly has its paws all over the Internet. Lawmakers and regulators are busier than ever trying to expand the horizons of cyber-control across the board: copyright mandates, cybersecurity rules, privacy regulations, speech controls, and much more."

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 15:14:26 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Same way as it'll be done here - tax cuts for the wealthy, and cutting of useful government services - like Statscan, DFO, CSIS Oversight, etc...

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:41:21 EDT

DanteX posted : The Uk cant even afford to help keep children and those in need out of poverty as there is no money available, How are they going to find money for this 3billion pound program?

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Wed, 13 Jun 2012 14:27:09 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Britain’s government chooses security over liberty with Internet spying plan
»fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201···ng-plan/

In the 2005 movie V for Vendetta (based on the comic book of the same name), the Conservative Party in the U.K. cements its hold on power following a terrorist attack, which turns out to be an inside job. In order to maintain control, the government institutes strict censorship laws and sends secret police — known as “Fingermen” — out to patrol streets in surveillance vans that allow them to listen in on the private conversations taking place within people’s homes. Apparently, British Prime Minister David Cameron saw this work as a policy document, rather than dystopian science fiction.

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Under the new proposal, the government would have the ability to monitor and track everyone’s Internet and phone usage, including the web sites people visit and who they communicate with. Although police and intelligence agents would not have the ability to eavesdrop on conversations directly, they would be able to compile data on who they contact and what they do online. [ The Brits must have compared notes with Vic "Babysitter Banger" Toews ]

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:33:00 EDT

elwoodblues posted : She must be hiding something.

Ann Cavoukian Urges 'Vigilance' Against Bill C-30

Tue, 05 Jun 2012 17:56:49 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Ontario Privacy Commissioner Ann Cavoukian Urges 'Vigilance' Against Bill C-30
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/06/05···politics

In a report entitled “Ever Vigilant,” released Monday, Cavoukian described the proposed legislation as “one of the most invasive threats to our privacy and freedom that I have ever encountered.”

The report is here
»www.ipc.on.ca/images/Resources/2···port.pdf

Contrast and compare with Bill C-30

Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:33:30 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : »www.theglobeandmail.com/news/nat···2401185/

The Supreme Court of Canada has struck down a wiretap exception police use in emergency situations on the basis that it contains no provision for notifying targets that they were under surveillance.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:28:48 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : So we have this article on what the NSA is gathering up
»www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/0···er/all/1

He explains that the agency could have installed its tapping gear at the nation’s cable landing stations—the more than two dozen sites on the periphery of the US where fiber-optic cables come ashore. If it had taken that route, the NSA would have been able to limit its eavesdropping to just international communications, which at the time was all that was allowed under US law. Instead it chose to put the wiretapping rooms at key junction points throughout the country—large, windowless buildings known as switches—thus gaining access to not just international communications but also to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the US. The network of intercept stations goes far beyond the single room in an AT&T building in San Francisco exposed by a whistle-blower in 2006. “I think there’s 10 to 20 of them,” Binney says. “That’s not just San Francisco; they have them in the middle of the country and also on the East Coast.”

The eavesdropping on Americans doesn’t stop at the telecom switches. To capture satellite communications in and out of the US, the agency also monitors AT&T’s powerful earth stations, satellite receivers in locations that include Roaring Creek and Salt Creek. Tucked away on a back road in rural Catawissa, Pennsylvania, Roaring Creek’s three 105-foot dishes handle much of the country’s communications to and from Europe and the Middle East. And on an isolated stretch of land in remote Arbuckle, California, three similar dishes at the company’s Salt Creek station service the Pacific Rim and Asia.

Since the NSA scoops up everything that crosses the US border, and since much of Rogers & Sympatico carried e-mail & other traffic crosses into the US before it is re-routed back into Canada, a simple and cost-effective solution to this

[Police] Recommended "Public Safety" Tax on Internet
»[Police] Recommended "Public Safety" Tax on Internet B

would to simply require all Canadian ISP's to route all traffic into the US before delivering it back into Canada.

That way the NSA can store everything for us at no cost. ISP's here won't have to spend a cent, and the government won't have to buy all kinds of expensive hardware & software.

CSIS, the RCMP, and the CPC can then work with their buddies south of the border without public scrutiny at creating Stasi-like dossiers on everyone in Canada.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:06:39 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : A collection of article article on 'fishing' expeditions.
Add C-30 to the mix and what do you get?

Known to Police
»www.thestar.com/specialsections/···topolice

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:22:10 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : The Issues Surrounding Subscriber Information in Bill C-30
»www.christopher-parsons.com/blog···ll-c-30/

"Despite being an extremely lengthy piece of legislation, Bill C-30 lacks the specificity that should accompany serious expansions to Canadian policing and intelligence gathering powers.

In this post, I first outline a ‘subscriber data regime’ to discuss what does – and may – be entailed in accessing Canadians’ subscriber data. Second, I explain how subscriber data can be used for open-sourced intelligence gathering. Third, I argue that an administrative process of expanding subscriber identifiers is inappropriate. Finally, I articulate why warrants are so important, and why court approval should precede access to subscriber data. In aggregate, this post explicates the concerns that many civil advocates, academics, and technical experts have with access to subscriber information, why Canadians should be mindful of these concerns, and why Canadians should rebuff current efforts to expand warrantless access to subscriber information.

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Imagine that your IP address has been turned over by a web forum that predominantly communicates about your local Occupy movement. With the IP in hand, the authorities (a) go to your ISP to identify you as an individual; (b) identify that on Wikipedia you have been editing articles on firebombs, chemical explosives, anarchism, black block tactics, and academic freedom. While this might suggest that you are ‘of interest’ to police – and thus worth monitoring, if not charging with a specific criminal offence – it might mask the truth that you are really a graduate student who is a subject matter expert on militant advocacy in Canada. You’ve been profiled based on actions online, with certain conclusions derived from your online behaviour that would not bear out were you subject to a specific investigation. While some of the confusion might ‘work itself out’ in a court process, should you simply be monitored this profile could develop and build over time. This inappropriate characterization could lead to serious life consequences as the hidden profile influences your relations with the state over months or years." [You could find yourself on an international Do-Not-Fly list, a quiet word could be whispered to deny you a job, ....or worse if you manage to cross a border someplace where they practice extrajudicial detention & interrogation]

Re: Conservatives in minority on Bill C-30

Wed, 29 Feb 2012 16:05:48 EDT

jfmezei posted : Had a short chat with the ministry offices today. The bill is essentially frozen right now. They told me to keep checking on the bill's status to find out when consultations would begin.

I suspect this time period is used to allow the realy lobbying to happen.

Re: Conservatives in minority on Bill C-30

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 20:20:15 EDT

anon posted : A non-trusting government is one that is not trustworthy.

Re: Conservatives in minority on Bill C-30

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:49:13 EDT

anon posted :

said by Mister M:

Testament to the incredible ignorance of a very large portion of our society.

Indeedy. They believe what the GOC tells them.

Re: Conservatives in minority on Bill C-30

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 19:34:31 EDT

Mister M posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

...The poll, conducted February 23-24 and surveying 1,011 respondents on the polling firm’s online panel, found 53 per cent of Canadians believe the bill is too intrusive, compared to only 27 per cent who believe the it is necessary to fight online criminal activity...

Simply jaw-dropping.

Testament to the incredible ignorance of a very large portion of our society.

Conservatives in minority on Bill C-30

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 17:34:10 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :
Poll Finds Majority Of Canadians Think Tories' Online Surveillance Bill Shouldn't Become Law
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/02/28···f=canada

A majority of Canadians think that the Conservatives’ proposed online surveillance Bill C-30 is too intrusive and should be defeated, according to a poll by Angus-Reid.

The poll, conducted February 23-24 and surveying 1,011 respondents on the polling firm’s online panel, found 53 per cent of Canadians believe the bill is too intrusive, compared to only 27 per cent who believe the it is necessary to fight online criminal activity.

Even a plurality of Conservative voters, or 47 per cent, thinks that the bill has gone too far. And considering that opposition to the bill is strongest in the Tory-heartland of Alberta, where 66 per cent of respondents said it was too intrusive, it is not surprising that the Conservative government has backed away from strongly supporting the proposed legislation.

Re: Facebook Identity Card

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 15:24:54 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : With all the sheep that use Facebook & Twitter, the Gubbmint will soon just focus in on those that don't -- figuring that they are the ones with the most to hide.

Re: Facebook Identity Card

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 13:26:28 EDT

slivers posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

http://fbbureau.com/

"When crossing the border from Canada to the U.S. last summer the border officer jokingly asked me: "So - What is your Facebook Name?" - @tbx "

It may not be a joke in the near future.

Hehehe Makes me glad That I've never touched Facebook or Twitter

Facebook Identity Card

Tue, 28 Feb 2012 09:27:51 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :
»fbbureau.com/

"When crossing the border from Canada to the U.S. last summer the border officer jokingly asked me: "So - What is your Facebook Name?" - @tbx "

It may not be a joke in the near future.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:23:26 EDT

Mister M posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l7HhsDHsw4

/me Applauds very loudly.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:10:09 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Anonymous Gives Public Safety Minister Vic Toews Deadline For Bill C-30
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/02/25···politics

In a new video, hacker group Anonymous says they're giving Vic Toews seven days before they reveal a new scandal about the Public Safety Minister.

"Anonymous has warned you this is only beginning," says the video. "Over the past several days, we have been inundated with messages exposing all manner of political wrongdoings and personal scandals, some of which extend to the very highest levels of your government."

"There is a very real possibility that after the revelation of this incident, Mr. Toews, that public outrage will not be necessary for you to find yourself without a job."

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l7HhsDHsw4

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Sun, 26 Feb 2012 14:01:43 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :
Ontario Police Chiefs' Website Hacked In Apparent Protest Against Bill C-30
»www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/02/25···business

A cyber attack on the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police's website has only bolstered the organization's support for the government's controversial online surveillance bill, a spokesman said Saturday

While the organization doesn't keep sensitive information about court cases, it does have databases on senior police officers, he said.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Sat, 25 Feb 2012 14:54:57 EDT

JunjiHiroma posted :

said by MaynardKrebs:

Somebody commented @ the Globe site on that article:

Seeing that the police and AGs really want this capability vis a vis C-30 so they can join the club of other countries who have the ability to spy on all of their citizens, I can only imagine what their next request for expanded powers will be?

America's Present IS what Canada's future will be.(No rights,Checkpoints,NDAA,etc..

"If you like small government you need to work hard at having a strong national defense that is not so militant. Personal liberty is the purpose of government, to protect liberty - not to run your personal life, not to run the economy, and not to pretend that we can tell the world how they ought to live." -Ron Paul

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Sat, 25 Feb 2012 11:51:50 EDT

Vomio posted : I think you are right it is all part of the whole package.

For years all this kind of stuff took place illegally behind the scenes forcing various law enforcement agencies into a moral dilemma.

Now it will be legal, the moral dilemma will be gone.

Since all this "fact finding" took place anyway in the past, legitimizing it like this adds to the transparency of government, something we were promised in previous elections.

We should all feel safer with our transparent, benevolent overlords eliminating the pedophilic automotive hucksters, that threaten the very fabric of our society.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Sat, 25 Feb 2012 09:12:07 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted : Somebody commented @ the Globe site on that article:

Seeing that the police and AGs really want this capability vis a vis C-30 so they can join the club of other countries who have the ability to spy on all of their citizens, I can only imagine what their next request for expanded powers will be?

I believe its an 'envy' thing. I modestly propose that a bill C-31 be introduced to complement C-30 which will likely be bull-dozed through Parliament while we are all enjoying the summer this year.

Bill C-31 - The Lawful Interrogation Bill (short name - The Bill To Protect Us From Curb Side Car Dealers Selling Bad Cars, or words to that effect).

The bill will lay out the methods of torture, er interrogation methods the police will be allowed to have to extract confessions and gain information not stored on a computer but held within our minds: Repeated tazering for suspicious people at the airport, water-boarding for jay-walkers, electro-shock treatment for red-light runners, the rack for protestors, flaying for those identified writing negative comments against the police and government in the Globe and Mail, etc.

Torture used to be a legitimate investigative tool in the middle ages and not something for someone's sadistic amusement. Other countries have this capability and our police and AGs are probably envious and likely lobbying for it behind closed doors right now. Why shouldn't we have this ability?

If C-30 gets passed we will already have ceded our constitutional rights, and therefore we must demand C-31 n'est-ce pas?

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:28:56 EDT

mazhurg posted : Bill is being parked: »www.theglobeandmail.com/news/pol···2349818/

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 20:04:41 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by Ott_Cable :

"How to Fix Canada's Online Surveillance Bill: A 12 Step To-Do List" »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6339/125/

1. Evidence, Evidence, Evidence
2. No Mandatory Warrantless Access to Subscriber Information
3. Reporting Warrantless Disclosure of Subscriber Information
4. Remove the Disclosure Gag Order
5. "Voluntary" Warrantless Data Preservation and Production
6. Government Installation of Surveillance Equipment
7. Reconsider the Internet Provider Regulatory Framework
8. Improve Lawful Access Oversight
9. Limit the Law to Serious Crimes
10. Come Clean on Costs
11. The Missing Regulations
12. Deal With The Failure of Privacy Laws To Keep Pace

The biggest issue is - should a law like this exist in the first place?

If one should, then the way the law should have been written would to have included this as its first two operative statements after the definitions/preamble section......

1) No provider of telecommunications shall provide any personalized customer information to any person, company, body, agency, or any level of government - domestic or foreign - without first being presented a warrant duly executed by a judge of competent jurisdiction under this Act.

2) It is incumbent upon the provider of telecommunications to verify the warrant has been lawfully issued by contacting the jurisdiction under which it has been issued within 2 hours of receipt of the warrant. Absent confirmation within 72 hours of receipt of the warrant, the telecommunications provider must not release any information to the requesting party.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:19:56 EDT

anon posted : "How to Fix Canada's Online Surveillance Bill: A 12 Step To-Do List" »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6339/125/

1. Evidence, Evidence, Evidence
2. No Mandatory Warrantless Access to Subscriber Information
3. Reporting Warrantless Disclosure of Subscriber Information
4. Remove the Disclosure Gag Order
5. "Voluntary" Warrantless Data Preservation and Production
6. Government Installation of Surveillance Equipment
7. Reconsider the Internet Provider Regulatory Framework
8. Improve Lawful Access Oversight
9. Limit the Law to Serious Crimes
10. Come Clean on Costs
11. The Missing Regulations
12. Deal With The Failure of Privacy Laws To Keep Pace

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 17:03:28 EDT

anon posted : "Facebook's Top Cop: Joe Sullivan" »www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill···ullivan/

>With longish light-brown hair and gray-speckled goatee, he looks more like a bouncer at a country music bar than an ex-federal prosecutor, let alone the guy responsible for safeguarding and investigating Facebook’s 845 million users.

>Most of his security team is based at headquarters in Menlo Park, Calif. and sits at clusters of desks close enough to take dead aim at one another with Nerf darts. Broken roughly into five parts, the team has 10 people review new features being launched, 8 monitor the site for bugs and privacy flaws, 25 handle requests for user information from law enforcement, and a few build criminal and civil cases against those who misbehave on the network;

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:23:24 EDT

anon posted : >I'm pretty sure that they don't actually want to look at the data just yet.
So there is no urgency to not to get a warrant then. ;P

I think this whole thing is a pretext to get domestic spying legal in Canada and at the same time outsourcing it to the ISP and other telecom facilities making Canada's listening post on the cheap.

It is not like most of our internet data doesn't pass through the US, NSA not already snooping it on the way... May be US not playing nice sharing as much data as we wish.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:35:48 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by Ott_Cable :

If you assume that the recurring cost of $6.7 million a year is primarily for extra government paper pusher employees for C30. Using a load labor cost of $100k to $150k a year, this means somewhere between 40 to 60 people.

Even if 70% of the people are analysts, you are only looking at 30-40 people to look at all the new raw data. That number doesn't seem enough. Pretty sure that CSIS, RCMP etc would need to hire more people to parse through the data.

I'm pretty sure that they don't actually want to look at the data just yet.
What they want is a Canadian equivalent to TIA - John Poindexter & the NSA's Total Information Awareness.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Informatio···s_Office

»www.aclu.org/technology-and-libe···a-mining
»www.aclu.org/technology-and-libe···-program

Also see the New Yorker article link posted earlier in this thread for more info on the ongoing NSA efforts in this area.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:38:13 EDT

anon posted : If you assume that the recurring cost of $6.7 million a year is primarily for extra government paper pusher employees for C30. Using a load labor cost of $100k to $150k a year, this means somewhere between 40 to 60 people.

Even if 70% of the people are analysts, you are only looking at 30-40 people to look at all the new raw data. That number doesn't seem enough. Pretty sure that CSIS, RCMP etc would need to hire more people to parse through the data.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 13:04:18 EDT

anon posted : I am sure this has been posted before:
"Online surveillance bill setup costs estimated at $80M" »www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2···sts.html

>C-30, a bill to update Canadian law when it comes to crimes committed online, will cost $20 million a year for the first four years and $6.7 million a year after that, Public Safety Canada told the CBC's Hannah Thibedeau on Wednesday.

This would amount to less than $3 a person and $0.50 per person per year. I don't think they are using paper note books and pens here. As with all government IT budgets, someone probably missing one or more zero(s) somewhere.

Very likely this cost is government side only and not including the equipment, software, storage, space, employees, security Clearance, expenses etc. that the affected ISP and customers have to shoulder.

Re: Lawful Access articles - collection

Fri, 24 Feb 2012 12:53:05 EDT

anon posted : There was the 100,000 customers threshold in C30 for small ISP. Below this size, all you need to do is probably provide a port to the traffic for the goons.

If the G-Man want to dunk their fiber via the sewers and park their van with equipment disguises as a service vehicle + tent on top of a manhole near the small ISP facility, I am sure that could be accommodated.

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MaynardKrebs posted :

said by booj:

I think we all know that Bill c-30 costs are a lot easier to swallow for Robellus than the independents. I believe this is why they are silent about the issue.

I can just see an indie whose rack/cage space is at the limit now and the Gubbmint says, "Install this rack.". That means incurring the next quantum in rent at a carrier hotel for the next size-up cage (if one is even available & it's not cheap space either), planning & migration costs (labour, overtime, benefits, etc....) all for zero incremental revenue.

Next is the Gubbmint going to require that the equipment be installed in a 'secure' facility. Some ISP's are smaller than spit - are they going to be required to install mantraps, video cameras, biometric locks, etc.... if the facility their in today doesn't have them?

What happens if the Gubbmint refuses to pay the all-in costs of installing Satan's seed (the surveillance equipment) and the ISP refuses to foot the bill for the difference or the whole cost? Does the Gubbmint invoke some clause in another obscene law to forcefully close the ISP down (ie. revoke their business registration)? Does the Gubbmint then provide immunity for itself against lawsuits resulting from actions like this?

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booj posted : I think we all know that Bill c-30 costs are a lot easier to swallow for Robellus than the independents. I believe this is why they are silent about the issue.

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MaynardKrebs posted : I wonder if indies will be force to rent more space @ 151 in order to install the racks of equipment the gubbmint wants them to install?
Who will pay for the space?

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MaynardKrebs posted : Ooops. You are correct .... 'decrypt'.

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anon posted : >are encrypted with two keys

You mean 'can be decrypted with two keys', right? If it is a symmetric encryption, then the ISP would already have that 2nd key for encryption. Unless this is a case where the person and the ISP encrypted the data and left the country.

For Asymmetric Encryption, the party that does the encryption with the public key does not necessarily hold the private key that is needed for decryption. (This assumes that the public key is not already in a database owned by the government.) This presents some interesting legal issues.

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