 r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
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Re: VZ Blinked said by CXM_Splicer:The managers are incapable of installing a triple play, the most they could do is replace set top box and pray that it worked.
I know install dates were pushed back to almost next year, but saying managers are incapable of installing triple play cannot be true.
Install FIOS is not a complex job. Hooking up equipment is easy.
How could they not be capable of doing this?
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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Re: VZ Blinked said by r81984:I know install dates were pushed back to almost next year, but saying managers are incapable of installing triple play cannot be true.
Install FIOS is not a complex job. Hooking up equipment is easy.
How could they not be capable of doing this?
Ok, perhaps a blanket statement was unwarranted... 99% of managers are incapable of installing triple play. They simply don't have the training or time to work on it. The video meters/readings are foreign to them... most don't know what an IP address is, forget about installing a network. It is more than just hooking up equipment. I certainly hope some of them tried so they can see their goal of 2 complete triple plays per person per day is a fantasy land. |
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r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
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| said by CXM_Splicer:Ok, perhaps a blanket statement was unwarranted... 99% of managers are incapable of installing triple play. They simply don't have the training or time to work on it. The video meters/readings are foreign to them... most don't know what an IP address is, forget about installing a network. It is more than just hooking up equipment. I certainly hope some of them tried so they can see their goal of 2 complete triple plays per person per day is a fantasy land.
If the managers are not qualified enough to know what an IP address is or even how to hook up a LAN in their house then why are they working at a telecommunications company?
If you dont understand the product and the steps invovled in installation and maintenance then you cant manage anything.
Doesnt verizon train their managers and actually make them do installations so they understand the work so they can manage it???
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| No, they don't. Their opinion is that you don't need to know how to do the job, you need to know how to manage.
There is a huge divide now between the managers that did the job and the managers off the street. Many of the knowledgeable managers have retired after seeing where the company was heading. Most of the management here now has never done the actual job they manage. |
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Re: This is what is going to happen "They'll be jazzed up to get a paycheck," said Ray Abernathy, a union media consultant and strategist in Washington. "And they'll be jazzed to go back out again if they have to."
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Re: VZ Blinked benefits are compensation. If they have to pay for it now it becomes a loss. They are being paid with money and benefits. If they lose benefits they lose pay. |
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| said by ArrayList:benefits are compensation. If they have to pay for it now it becomes a loss. They are being paid with money and benefits. If they lose benefits they lose pay. You don't loose pay. They raised our health insurance last year too. We (wife and I) evaluated our options and kept with mine since hers was more expensive for less coverage. Your net pay goes down but you don't loose anything. You are still free to opt out (until Obamacare kicks in). Then your pay will not decrease.
Again, you don't like it, you are free to find other employment. That's how things work. |
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Palm Desert, CA | reply to Linklist
Re: This is what is going to happen said by Linklist:Both sides gave in here. The union by coming back to work. And the company by agreeing to take them back under the old contract.
And the layoffs and attrition will continue for union workers as the landline business shrinks.
Any union workers who think this was a win are truly in massive denial of the reality of the workplace in today's worldwide economy.
Nobody wins in a Strike, Workers will never be able to recoup their losses. Two weeks is a long time in this bad Economy, so getting back to work will help all involved. Management takes over when the Work Force goes out, so it sounds like Management could not handle the Work Load. Verizon is probably using more and more College Grads to fill their Management positions, and even though these College Grads are good at Management, they really can't handle or do the regular work. That's why just hiring replacement Workers is not feasible either. It takes many years of training and working to be a good Telco Tech. |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to PoloDude
Re: VZ Blinked said by PoloDude:Completely wrong. The Union did not blink.VZ did! Why in the world would you think the union blinked. They were only out for 2 weeks. I think the union blinked because Verizon said point blank they would stop paying benefits at the end of the month if the workers did not go back to work.
said by PoloDude:VZ was starting to have MAJOR backlogs of copper repairs and FiOS repairs ... How could such a backlog have come about in the span of just 2 weeks? It sounds like either the union was purposefully scaling back its work before the contract ran out, or they were not doing a very good job of keeping the network running. Either way, this is just more fuel on the funeral pyre for Verizon's landline services.
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CXM_SplicerLooking at the bigger picturePremium
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| said by pnh102:How could such a backlog have come about in the span of just 2 weeks? Mostly from the deluge last Sunday night and the frequent showers we have been having. The plant is in horrible shape (as has been said many times) and it doesnt take much. |
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said by itguy05:I've seen what VZ wants and have no issues with most of it; it's what the rest of the world deals with. I pay for my healthcare (to the tune of >$2k for my family. My raises are tied to my performance on the job, there is no guaranteed job for me, etc.
So, I have no sympathy for the union guys on those issues. It's time for them to join the rest of the world.
typical whine and sour grapes!
"i don't have what the union guys have so i don't think they should have it either!"
this is your basic argument , and the argument of many other whiners, most of whom seem to be IT workers. you know what? just because you can't negotiate better pay/benefits, and just because you have no leverage at all, and just because that's the way for most these days, well don't drag down other working class people who still do have collective bargaining.
or do you think your arguments are something different or more substantial?
i happen to think pro athletes and celebrities should perhaps "join the rest of the world" in this shitty wrecked economy but you know what that's not really my business. a person is worth what they or their reps are able to negotiate for themselves, and that's ALL it comes down to. nothing more and nothing less!!
i swear to god IT workers are some of the biggest god damn babies. sit in a cubicle or air condition office all day, typing at a computer and pushing paper around, but thinks nobody else actually out in the elements busting their ass should be able to make a nice living! no only the "knowledge workers" should make a nice living. all others who actually sweat for a living out in the sun are overpaid and overcompensated.
i have a bachelor degree in computer science but i swear to god i get more and more disgusted with IT workers and general office workers day by day. i'm not union, i'm self employed and work from home, and yes on a computer, but i will NEVER sit on my ass here in the AC and think guys out busting their ass in the sun, snow or rain are overpaid!
most IT workers don't seem to know what hard work is. hard work to them is pushing paper, office politics, and kissing ass! that's the bottom line.
i have no sympathy for dime a dozen IT workers. |
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1 edit | said by sour_grapes :i have no sympathy for dime a dozen IT workers.
Well, that's part of their problem... there are just too many of them. When you have a surplus of people in an industry, it is very easy to pit them against each other and exploit the hell out of them. They have no power, it's not really their fault.
Unfortunately for them (and many other industries) unions set the bar as far as benefits go, when it goes down for us it also goes down for them. As soon as we take a hit (and I have no doubt that we will) many of them will find their compensation being reduced; after all, why would they get anything close to what the unions are getting? It is part of the downward spiral we are all going through (well, except the top 5%).
Thanks, Sour, for the kind words and excellent logic  |
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Someone like you ( working in a corporate setting ) wouldn't see anything wrong!! Employees like you ( without UNION REPRESENTATION ) are used to being taking advantage of. |
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said by ArrayList:and giving in will just hurt you more in the long run.
striking is about principles. If you cave, you are going against those principles.
Principles won't put food on the table.
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| said by 05381257:Principles won't put food on the table.
Caving in to principals will certainly take food off your table. |
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neither does a lack thereof |
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Re: VZ Blinked which is why the company was going to hire contract labor. OBTW isn't a SCAB someone who crosses a union picket line like say a union worker or contractor. A manager who already works for the company and is forced to do union labor is not a SCAB. |
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| said by ktab :which is why the company was going to hire contract labor. And you know this how?
I assume Verizon knew this contract was going to expire? They brought in managers from all over to fill in for the striking workers, correct? They also 'trained' these managers in repair in the months leading up to the strike? So WHERE then were the contractors? If there were going to be any, they would have been there from day 1.
said by ktab : OBTW isn't a SCAB someone who crosses a union picket line like say a union worker or contractor. A manager who already works for the company and is forced to do union labor is not a SCAB.
This has been discussed here before... the usual definition is a person "who takes a striking worker's place on the job"; this definition would include managers. Check any online dictionary, if you find something that excludes managers please let me know. |
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