2 edits | Traffic shaping This topic has not been around lately in this forum, I wonder if because of the bandwidth prices lowering every day, or smth else?
Last night I started to experiment with mikrotik traffic shaping.
I got my NOC router crashing at 4am, I had to drive to noc and log in via CLI to disable rules.
And just when I thought I had smth working... today it crashed two more times.
So, I said NO to DYI shaping, not worth to experiment in production router, and yet not very confident about the results.
I want to consider enterprise like solution that works out of the box and already showed good results.
Netequalizer comes to mind.
I use to read read a lot of info about it in this forum, and it had very good reviews and recommendation , but lately not very much info.
If anyone is using it or any other similar solution, I would be very thankfull to hear some PROs and CONs.
reagards. |
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»blog.butchevans.com/2009/11/140/ |
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canada | reply to ponline
Butch's script is good for sure, we run it on all MT's in the field on all AP's. We also run a NetEq at our NOC, which I would never give up. Both have pros and cons. If you have the coin get a NetEq. |
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I guess its all up to you because the Netequalizer is about 3k vs 200 dollars script.
pricing for netequailizer:
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CMack
join:2004-07-30
canada | reply to ponline
Never said it was cheap but if you running 5,000 customers the cost is down in the noise. |
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Yes, I recall Butch Evans Script was discussed a lot . It went to mind... but is it up to date? That post is from 2009, is that script good with IOS 5.x?
On the blog the latest post is one year old,his website and forum last updates are way lot older than that.
So I was wondering should i consider smth obsolete? |
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if you got fb join the club: »www.facebook.com/groups/184655268266805/
and ask butch evans to see if its still upto date. |
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Thanks, I requested to join that group waiting for response. But it looks like generaly for mikrotik RouterOS, I searched their forums about butch evans QOS and not very helpful results. |
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About the price of NetEq or any other platform IF it can help utilizing the uplink for 20-30% it's not that bad if the pipe costs are 3k per month. Will get ROI in 3-5 months. |
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ponline did you get accepted to that group? |
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I wouldnt say its obsolete by anymeans
Butch sent me an updated version just a few months ago
Im sure it would run on v5 just fine but all mine are 4.17
so ask Butch to be sure
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Best Regards
MD |
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| thanks MD,
Does it work good for you?
Are you using it on APs or on the NOC?
I'm planing to run it on an the core router to act as the core traffic shaper. |
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Re: Traffic shaping No P
I use it on my Core router but since we use pppoe there is a trick to making it work
on all the tiks at each tower ie (you need to setup meta routers to apply the script to virtual interfaces,
it cant shape pppoe ques directly with out doing this)
and since I wasnt comfortable doing this on 50 live tik pppoe concetrators
I have it running only on our core router but it seems to do the job handily at a cheap price
Never had a NetEq so I cant say how they stack up against each other head to head
but I do know that Butch's intention was to offer a
compairable altenative at a much better price
Its definately beyond everything I tried previously which ranges from nothing,
at the cpe only and every open source option available out there
(you name it I have tried it)
You can even install it as a separate bridged Tik unit and install it behind your core router
So no major changes would be required to test it
(thats how I started with it) but Now it runs on the Core Tik
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MD |
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| That is how I run Butch Script behind my router, it works well I have right know in Mikrotik 5, I just asked Butch the new version of the script. |
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The problem is I have some pppoe terminated on the NOC router where I think of doing shaping. Adding another router would be another pc to watch for and more power requested for backup. I would prefer terminating those users somewhere else, so i can use this core router for shaping. If i remove the pppoe concentrator the router is doing nothing else, just routing my traffic to my upstream, some basic firewall and some NAT-ing.IT has enough power its 2.8ghz Core2Quad.
Another problem is, most of the APs have one Public IP address, and user connected to the AP are nated on the same Public IP.
If i understand correctly, both NetEq and Butch's script don't shape traffic by type, instead they depend on users behavior to shape the traffic, so they need to see every user with their unique IP address, otherwise they will treat Every AP as a single user. (Correct me if im wrong!)
I guess if i want to use either NetEQ or Butch Evans QOS script I would have to remove NATing from APs, and Nat the clients on the Noc router (to save IP addresses). The shaping machine would see users before they pas NAT router. (or in case of mikrotik would be the same mcshine that shapes and do NAT).
It sounds easy, but I would end up a router with more than a hundred ip addresses on wan, nating private subnets or 1:1 users.
If there is another solution im all ears?
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If you are going to NAT, do it at the head end ideally.
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Butch's script uses both methods but it does have an exemption list so any thing you dont want shaped you enter it in there
In my case the Core Tik does not do any pppoe authentication just Shaping, NAT and a few 1:1's
so your situation is quite different I only see two options one add a new 450G or RB1100
behind the core router to take over pppoe concetrator duties then add one in bridge mode behind the core to do the shaping
But the easiest idea would be to just call Butch and get his help to do the Meta router setup on your core router
I have the instructions on how to do this I just didnt have the balls to try it on anything yet but I intend to at some point
Essentially it creates virtual interfaces in front of the concentrator that the script can run on and shape
Since pppoe itself cannot be
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MD |
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IMHO, regardless of bandwidth available, to deliver quality you must rate limit and QOS your traffic. You want your Customer rate limiting at the CPE or AP. Not the headend.
I use Radius to load the Customer's Rate limiting Queue dynamically on the AP, using MT-DHCP Radius Auth.
Then QOS on each Tower's router with Butch's script, as well as DNS and Web caching, before traffic hits the backhaul bridge. |
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