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Re: really? The protesters will simply find and use other ways to organize and communicate. They did it during the Arab Uprising, they will do it in San Francisco BART. The only ones to suffer by BARTs tactics will be the poor slob who is having a heart attack on one of the trains and can't call 911 for help. It always seems to be the everyday Joe who feels the brunt of government over-reaction. The protagonists on both sides of the problem go on with their cat-and-mouse shenanigans. Joe is DOA.... |
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 reub2000Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | Granted, people have been protesting since before they had cell phones. It sounds like the BART officials realized they made a mistake. Unless it happens again, then the anonymous hackers should understand that it was just an official trying to keep order.
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 GbcueP.E.Premium
join:2001-09-30
Santa Rosa, CA
kudos:8 | reply to franknalco
said by franknalco:The protesters will simply find and use other ways to organize and communicate. They did it during the Arab Uprising, they will do it in San Francisco BART. The only ones to suffer by BARTs tactics will be the poor slob who is having a heart attack on one of the trains and can't call 911 for help. It always seems to be the everyday Joe who feels the brunt of government over-reaction. The protagonists on both sides of the problem go on with their cat-and-mouse shenanigans. Joe is DOA....
You can use one of the emergency phones in the train or on the platforms.
Granted the trains are so loud that the operator probably won't be able to hear you regardless of what phone you used.
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| Indeed, that particular Joe may have an alternative. My point is that many thousands are inconvenienced - from the mom who can't call home to check on her kids to the guy who can't arrange for a pickup at his destination - they can't use the emergency phones. Meanwhile, the effect on the protesters is probably minimal at best; at worst, it exacerbates the situation. |
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | reply to reub2000
said by reub2000:...the anonymous hackers should understand that it was just an official trying to keep order.
Geesh, talk about a sheeple remark. That sounds like those opinion surveys where people are read the Bill of Rights, and some of them say it's a radical commie document.
This was the case of government infringing the free expression and freedom of assembly rights of the people. Those rights are enshrined in the Constitution specifically to protect the expressions of the people that government may find annoying and inconvenient. What's worse, it was pre-emptions of somthing that possibly might have happened in the future - that type of thing was disalllowed in the Pentagon Papers case. What BART did was about the most unpatriotic, unAmerican thing they could do, and deserves a strong response. |
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | "What BART did was about the most unpatriotic, unAmerican thing they could do, and deserves a strong response."
You forget the most obvious principle about "free speech" in which you're going on about - it's still not legal to yell "fire" in a crowded theater when there is none. In other words, "freedom of speech" (which is OFTEN mis-represented) does have limitations.
Freedom of speech simply states "government shall make no law against..." It extends between the people and the government. The government still does have the right to keep order. Even the right to assemble requires permits.
Before you go on about BART being unpatrotic and unAmerican, you have to first apply the law.
What I think is completely wrong is that Americans want to run around disturbing the peace and tearing things up and expect that they have the "right" to do so.. which they don't. People have the right to peaceful protest... the government has the responsibility to keep order. |
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reub2000Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | reply to PDXPLT
Yeesh, it disturbs me how everyone here is willing to fry a guy for one wrong decision. No one here has ever made a mistake? Carry on I guess...
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