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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace

join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
reply to CXMNYC

Re: Making unions illegal would solve many problems

said by CXMNYC:

My union can not strike while contract is in place.

Right, but there have been numerous instances where unions who are not supposed to strike do.

said by CXMNYC:

You unfortunately are not that valuable to your employer and must contiuosly hope to curry favor with your corporate master to keep your job. I feel for you bro!

Thanks! To be honest however, I really dont mind earning my keep each and every day. Sure, it would be far easier to know that no matter what I did I couldnt be fired but then I wouldnt be where I am today.
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"No you won't" -The American people to President Obama (11/2/2010)


CXMNYC

join:2011-08-30
New York, NY
Me and my coworkers can be fired, same as you. I have had coworkers fired for cause, it happens. Excessive abcense, tardiness, insubordination, thft, violence, sleeping on the job. It happens here and everywhere. People get fired for doing stupid things all the time. Where I work its no different. We all earn our keep everyday. That is the fact. Bad employees with or without a union get fired. Sometimes bad employees get over and stay employeed, with or witout a union. I am knowledgeable, skilled and hard working, I belong to a union. My fellow union members run the gamut from great employees to shitty employees. Most are somewhere in between. Our union membership didn't make us good or bad employees, our individual work ethic and values made us what we are. Same as non union, just we realize collectively we will get a better deal from our souless corporation than we could as individuals.


wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace

join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
said by CXMNYC:

I am knowledgeable, skilled and hard working

I never said you (individually) were not, so please dont mistake my argument with a personal attack. For all I know you are the most hard working person on earth, and I commend you for all your achievements. However, I correctly pointed out how unions foster laziness and incompetence at wages that are higher than what is charged in the private sector.
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"No you won't" -The American people to President Obama (11/2/2010)


CXMNYC

join:2011-08-30
New York, NY
I understand the point your making. However, I work in the private sector, I am not a government employee. I think you meant in an non union employment situation. My point, and it is anecdotal(just what I've experienced personally) is that the union workers around me are mostly all hard working and dedicated, some are lazy slobs. The lazy slobs, would be lazy slobs wherever they worked, union or non union. Their work ethics where formed long before the got a union job. I've had plenty of non union jobs through the years and I've encountered just as many lazy and careless workers there. It is easier to fire non union workers who suck, but I've seen plenty of union workers who suck get fired. I've also seen good workers in non union jobs get fired because they didn't kiss a managers ass enough. If you're a good employee your job shouldn't be at the whim of someone because they don't like your personality. You should be judged on your value as an employee. Being part of 35000 employees I know if I were fired my company wouldn't skip a beat, despite my belief that I'm an excellent employee. My unions value to me is that I know I will only be fired for a just cause. Union employees have a sense that we will not be fired over a trivial matter like a personality conflict with a foreman.


wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace

join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
said by CXMNYC:

I think you meant in an non union employment situation.

Yes I did, thank you for catching that as I was using the wrong term.