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XCOM
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Network Upgrade

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So today I took the day/time to upgrade my network.

My friend and I build a new shelf. Than I upgraded my pfsense box from an Alix 2d3 to a Dell Optiplex GX520 with 2 Gigs of RAM and 3GHz P4 CPU.

The Box next to it is a Dell Optiplex GX745 Core2 Duo 3Ghz 2Gigs of RAM which is my new file server and web server.

I moved the APC to the bottom.

I bought a new zyxel gige 16 port switch and now I am waiting for it...

Here are some pics....

Note: Still some touch up's to do in the wall/wood
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I'm the friend. It's dope son. We got mad skills..



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said by TheeDude:

I'm the friend. It's dope son. We got mad skills..

Welcome aboard d00d.
lol I guess you got mad skillz...
lol!

Thanks for the help!
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Cyberprog
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What a waste of a machine. Have you not considered visualising your pfsense and file/webserver into a single machine?



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said by Cyberprog:

What a waste of a machine. Have you not considered visualising your pfsense and file/webserver into a single machine?

Are you serious?
I am not even going to waste my time...
I hope that you never do that.
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DaMaGeINC
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said by Cyberprog:

What a waste of a machine. Have you not considered visualising your pfsense and file/webserver into a single machine?

Well look who decided to grace us with his presence!

And are you serious Cyber? Think about what you just said...
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XCOM
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Well. I have a new PBX system (Asterisk) and a new ata. Also rewiring is been done this week and ill be installing the new switch.
Pics will be up soon.
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Running anything alongside the firewall on the same hardware is high risk and considered out of compliance for various official standards. Yes you can do it in VMs, but, just no.

A P4 is old-hat these days. While 3ghz is far and away overkill for a firewall application, it's a good use for an old machine that may not be the best for running the latest OS and software.



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said by NgtFlyer:

Running anything alongside the firewall on the same hardware is high risk and considered out of compliance for various official standards. Yes you can do it in VMs, but, just no.

A P4 is old-hat these days. While 3ghz is far and away overkill for a firewall application, it's a good use for an old machine that may not be the best for running the latest OS and software.

I wasn't going to say anything but thank you very much for the explanation.
Yea the machine is a bit overkill for it's use but I better have to much than to little. I had an alix which couldn't handle my line. I have 100/50 line from comcast. I couldn't pass the deal both of those machines cost me 50 dollars. 25 each
I keep 2 more machines identically the same in mirror for backup. small form factor are known to have issues with the capacitors at time.
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A limited number of the 520s did have the infamous bad cap problem but not the ones you have - the ones with the slimline optical drives and the even smaller ones with external power supplies had the issue. You should be safe with yours. Glad to hear you keep backup copies of the machines (Well, that's one way to back up!) Workstation hardware with single hard drives aren't what I'd deploy for a server, but at $25 for those, you can't go wrong!

(Where do I sign for my $25 745?!

I have Comcast 50/10, which often goes much faster. I can get line speed out of a P3 866 running ipcop. Highest speed test I've achieved at speedtest.net is a 94/14.. and I'm sure the 100mbit cards in the firewall are the bottleneck there!

I might hunt down an old Optiplex for a firewall upgrade. Gbit interfaces and all..



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said by NgtFlyer:

A limited number of the 520s did have the infamous bad cap problem but not the ones you have - the ones with the slimline optical drives and the even smaller ones with external power supplies had the issue. You should be safe with yours. Glad to hear you keep backup copies of the machines (Well, that's one way to back up!) Workstation hardware with single hard drives aren't what I'd deploy for a server, but at $25 for those, you can't go wrong!

(Where do I sign for my $25 745?! :)

I have Comcast 50/10, which often goes much faster. I can get line speed out of a P3 866 running ipcop. :) Highest speed test I've achieved at speedtest.net is a 94/14.. and I'm sure the 100mbit cards in the firewall are the bottleneck there!

I might hunt down an old Optiplex for a firewall upgrade. Gbit interfaces and all..

Thanks for the ino.

I agree on the server line but hey is for home and they have been replicating to two external RAID1 system. one direct attached and one to a NAS so its like this....

[]------[745]------[Buffalo System RAID1 USB HDD]---------[DNS-323 NAS RAID1]
|         |
|         |
|   [745 Mirror]
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[pfsense 2.0 Release]
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[pfsense Mirror "Carp"]
 

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I got the dirty shivers the first time I even considered such a move. Aside from a standards compliance issue, there are many great reasons to avoid such a configuration when you are trying to enforce firm separation between your security devices and your offered services. In my particular environment I have two VM servers, each has an even split of VM's such as my web, mail and DNS. Each also has a firewall VM for one of my Internet connections. When I was initially deploying this I went through a variety of security steps, to see what type of traffic bleeding I could expect. While sniffing in promiscuous mode on a Xen VM I was unable to see any traffic other than what was broadcast or multicast on the LAN, or unicast to me. From a traffic isolation standpoint it is therefore safe to assume that there is no different between what a physical device would receive, and what this VM firewall would receive. I repeated this test using VLAN interfaces, offered to the VM, and found the same results. I then cooked up some arpfiltering, iptables, and ip6tables rules to lock IP addresses and MAC addresses to individual VM interfaces, and called it a day.

No amount of hypervisor voodoo, or firewall fairy dust will keep me safe if the vm server gets pwned, so there's always something to be said about physical hardware, and the isolate it provides. I would however say that the security offered by Xen and some basic firewalling on the host was sufficient of make this design acceptable for production, depending on the environment. Again, I wouldn't deploy this for large enterprise, or a financial sector business, but for a home, or even small/mid size office I believe this approach would work well. As always your mileage may vary.
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Thanks for the information. My setup is a bit more complicated than what it looks like. I like to keep it that way... I really don't like to give the key away to the door

I will describe a bit on the complexity of my network and the future upgrades that it will hold.

In sense I have 3 servers that need exposure and each sits on a different subnet for exclusion till I get my new switch in and configure vlans.

the pfsense box also runs snort/ntop/vnstat/bandwitd/ipblocklist/countryblock/
I monitor every single activity in my network. This way I am aware of whats going on inside and out of my network. I keep it pretty secure to avoid stupidity and headaches.

Note: Thats just at the border. Each system is configure with it's own iptables/wrappers/smahain/fail2ban. Not including the PBX server that has a whole different set of security.

I have done a lot more in the past weeks I just dont want to post the upgrades till I am fully done.

This should give you an idea of how things are running
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Everyone's needs are different and it sounds like you're in good control of your network design and functionality. I still want to know where I can get Optiplex 745s for $25 a pop..

Cheers!



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said by NgtFlyer:

I still want to know where I can get Optiplex 745s for $25 a pop..

Cheers!

LOL

25.00 a pop for University Employees When the department upgrades there systems they send there old system to an inside "classified" from there we get a chance to buy PC's, Mac's, Server, etc.... What ever did not sale and is not consider sensitive becomes open to the public and what does not sale there goes to charity
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Ok so today I got the new switch in place. Pics coming up soon as I rewire the network.
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GigE Network
Didn't rewire but got it all switched to the new switch.

Updated since the OP.

Replace the old 10/100 Switch with a new 1000/100/10 GigE switch from zyxel.
The Alix 2D3 is now an Asterisk PBX server.
In the top its a new PAPT2.
The Buffalo is a Raid1 Direct Attached Backup to the web server

The whole system is attached to an APC UPS 550 and The Alix is hooked up to its own UPS "Belkin Residential Gateway".
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Cyberprog
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said by DaMaGeINC:

said by Cyberprog:

What a waste of a machine. Have you not considered visualising your pfsense and file/webserver into a single machine?

Well look who decided to grace us with his presence!

And are you serious Cyber? Think about what you just said...

Nothing wrong with what I've said. All the things you'll be doing are fairly low in terms of CPU, and will be easily collapsed into a pair of virtual machines sharing the same hardware. I have clients who have their firewalls, domain controllers, and VOIP systems all sharing the same hardware for reasons of economy, space and power saving, and there's no real reason why they shouldn't.
The VM's are obviously seperated, and management interfaces aren't exposed to the external (WAN) interface, so you'd have to be attracting some fairly determined hacker to get past the firewall in the first place. 99.9% of the time the hacker isn't even going to know that it's running on a VM anyway!
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said by Cyberprog:

said by DaMaGeINC:

said by Cyberprog:

What a waste of a machine. Have you not considered visualising your pfsense and file/webserver into a single machine?

Well look who decided to grace us with his presence!

And are you serious Cyber? Think about what you just said...

Nothing wrong with what I've said. All the things you'll be doing are fairly low in terms of CPU, and will be easily collapsed into a pair of virtual machines sharing the same hardware. I have clients who have their firewalls, domain controllers, and VOIP systems all sharing the same hardware for reasons of economy, space and power saving, and there's no real reason why they shouldn't.
The VM's are obviously seperated, and management interfaces aren't exposed to the external (WAN) interface, so you'd have to be attracting some fairly determined hacker to get past the firewall in the first place. 99.9% of the time the hacker isn't even going to know that it's running on a VM anyway!

For each its own
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Cyberprog
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Aye, but you see it all the time these days with people running several old space heater machines to do certain things, when they could have collapsed the whole lot down into a single machine using vmware or similar. And it's just wasteful of space, power and at the end of the day, your wallet!
Don't get me wrong, I've been there, indeed currently I have two machines in my cellar that are doing exactly the things you've got here, although I also have another machine sat there waiting to take both the tasks in due course, as well as running some test systems for my work.
I've also known someone who had an old dual/quad pentium pro compaq server, that he used to crank seti up on and actually use as a space heater in the winter... crazy!
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