 CanerisErikCanerisPremium,VIP
join:2007-10-03
Toronto, ON
kudos:2 | Cable-DSL and cable-cable MLPPP line bonding coming soon! Caneris and Acanac are pleased to announce that a trial of cable-DSL and cable-cable bonding via MLPPP will soon be available using our OpenWrt/MLPPP software and services offered by both companies.
A long time in the works, the upcoming release of OpenWrt/MLPPP underwent over 350 changes since February. It will enable the ability to bond most types of links (whether cable, DSL, or others) with each other, irrespective of the link speeds (within particular limits), and will feature easy to use auto-configuration and troubleshooting from a new user interface.
Aside from the introduction of the new major features, the bulk of the remaining changes are "under-the-hood", including over 50 bug fixes and usability improvements.
During the upcoming trial, firmware builds for TP-Link WR1043ND (available from both companies) and Netgear WNDR3700v2 will be made available, with x86 and more broad hardware support introduced thereafter. As in the past, customers wishing to bond DSL links with anything else will require DSL service from either Caneris or Acanac, but those wishing to bond cable or other types of links will not require the underlying cable service to be with Caneris or Acanac (and Caneris doesn't offer cable yet, obviously).
Earlier today, Acanac upgraded its production MLPPP LNS and we'll be following suit most likely this weekend. The firmware will be released this week if all goes well.
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Erik - Caneris Inc. |
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| We have no problems to report so far. We will continue to monitor the MLPPP client base for the next 24 hours or so. We need to make sure the LNS upgrades do not affect clients running older versions of the CPE software.
As posted in the Acanac community below you will find my own setup with the new LNS. In the test below I am using 2 DSL lines and one Cable.
Download Speed: 28470 kbps (3558.75 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 2138 kbps (267.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Tuesday, September 06, 2011 4:44:02 PM
It has been a pleasure working with your team on this project. Great Job. |
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 HiVoltPremium
join:2000-12-28
Toronto, ON
kudos:12
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Cool!
Question with bonding w DSL + Cable, especially DSL from a different ISP. Could one have a DSL router in front of the OpenWRT router which would do 1:1 nat then it would not be using PPPoE in the OpenWRT router?
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So... um, Erik,
Does this mean if you see a Rogers or Bell ad saying they are the fastest you will be bringing them before Ad Standards Canada and the competition bureau?  |
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That's great news! Of course, it's time for you guys to throw a party, with Erik and Paul giving everybody free rides in their limos.. Open bar, 6 different bbq's going, lots of coffee and donuts to smooth any noise complaints with the local constabulary, a free WNDR3700v1 and either a 15/1 cable or 2xdry GAS for a year for each invitee above an beyond any other perks they may be enjoying.. Non-employee guinea-pigs should be invited of course
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
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| So now, Caneris Erik finally comes out and admits he is into bondage....
Congrats on the hard work.
Does this mean that on Cable, you get an IP from the cable company's DHCP, and you then tunnel PPPoE/MLPPP packets through the IP link between your modem and your ISP ?
Inside the MLPPP tunnel, you get the other IP , the one that you use ?
How will Rogers react when people ask for 2 links at the same house ? 2 modems on the same coax or will they inist on having 2 separate coax cables into the home ?
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4 edits | They didnt seem to care when I ordered 2 cable links to the same house.
I think they have a limit at 3 modems per cable though, or the signal can get too weak.
I have two main questions.
Does Caneris or Acanac sell 25/7 VDSL?
Will they be selling logins to allow the service to work if we have another ISPs DSL on the bell network?
Because in reality we do not need Acanac or Caneris DSL service, just the login.
For example would they allow me to bond if I had Rogers E+, TSI VDSL and a Caneris or Acanac dsl login?
Or do they refuse to sell logins?
And one more question:
Do you guys care how much bandwidth a customer is putting through your network? Because they could potentially order 25/7 from bell or TSI and 1 dsl line from acanac and still mlppp them together at acanac by using the acanac login twice.
In reality if you order 1 dsl line from acanac or caneris the other dsl lines can be from any other bell GAS ISP and the service should still work. |
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I have some interest in having bonded dsl lines...one from caneris and one from acanac, with the idea that it is less likely for both to be down at the same time, thus increasing overall uptime. |
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 mlernerPremium
join:2000-11-25
Nepean, ON
kudos:5
2 edits | said by Rickkins:I have some interest in having bonded dsl lines...one from caneris and one from acanac, with the idea that it is less likely for both to be down at the same time, thus increasing overall uptime.
You're actually only increasing uptime by maybe 10-15%. If the Bell equipment at the CO or the aggregation link to 151 goes dead, both of your connections are gone. I'm personally doing cable+DSL.
Question for Caneris and Acanac, if I have 3web/Distributel/(insert new name here) cable and a 3rd party DSL line, will you still offer this bonding solution? |
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2 edits | In reality if they were to sell dsl logins that would work.
But it would have to be on the bell (GAS) network for it to work.
Otherwise you should still be able to bond on the L2TP side, considering erik said links other than cable and dsl will work.
Also what erik said was rather contradictory, there is no reason you need their dsl if you do the bonding on the L2TP side. |
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jfmezeiPremium
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Pointe-Claire, QC
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| Not sure the bonding will work if done from different ISPs.
The DSL has to be with Acanac because the PPPoE must terminate at Acanac so it can be intercepted and sent to the router that handles MLPPP.
With cable, I assume they have their cable-facing router setup to detect your MLPPP and send it to the MLPPP handling router. If you go via anothr ISP's cable service, your packets would arrive via the internet-facing router instead of the cable-facing router and likely miss theboat.
Now, if they do L2TP between your router and the ISP in order to carry PPPoE over IP, then an L2TP session could conceivably be from a teksavvy IP and use the internet to reach the IP of the router that handles the MLPPP at Acanac. |
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1 edit | I believe the last sentence you wrote is exactly what they do.
said by CanerisErik:Those wishing to bond cable or other types of links will not require the underlying cable service to be with Caneris or Acanac (and Caneris doesn't offer cable yet, obviously).
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said by HiVolt:Cool!
Question with bonding w DSL + Cable, especially DSL from a different ISP. Could one have a DSL router in front of the OpenWRT router which would do 1:1 nat then it would not be using PPPoE in the OpenWRT router?
In this scenario you would just choose every line as Cable within the quick start. If you pick one of DSL options it will try to do the PPPOE within the layer 2. Erik can correct me if I am wrong. |
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said by jfmezei:So now, Caneris Erik finally comes out and admits he is into bondage....
Congrats on the hard work.
Does this mean that on Cable, you get an IP from the cable company's DHCP, and you then tunnel PPPoE/MLPPP packets through the IP link between your modem and your ISP ?
Inside the MLPPP tunnel, you get the other IP , the one that you use ?
How will Rogers react when people ask for 2 links at the same house ? 2 modems on the same coax or will they inist on having 2 separate coax cables into the home ?
That is correct. You would still require an IP from the Cable company to be assigned to your Cable modem. We will then do the bonding over layer 3.
Our bonded service then comes with it's own IP. ( Including statics if requested)
So far they have not cared. All they are doing is putting a splitter. |
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said by mlerner:said by Rickkins:I have some interest in having bonded dsl lines...one from caneris and one from acanac, with the idea that it is less likely for both to be down at the same time, thus increasing overall uptime.
You're actually only increasing uptime by maybe 10-15%. If the Bell equipment at the CO or the aggregation link to 151 goes dead, both of your connections are gone. I'm personally doing cable+DSL. Question for Caneris and Acanac, if I have 3web/Distributel/(insert new name here) cable and a 3rd party DSL line, will you still offer this bonding solution? As long as you have either DSL or Cable with Acanac we will offer you bonded services. They key is that you need to end up on one of our LNS servers. Either Acanac's or Canris that support bonded services. |
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| You still have not answered my question.
What if you just purchase a DSL login from Acanac?
Would you still offer bonded services? |
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1 edit | reply to jfmezei
said by jfmezei:Not sure the bonding will work if done from different ISPs.
The DSL has to be with Acanac because the PPPoE must terminate at Acanac so it can be intercepted and sent to the router that handles MLPPP.
With cable, I assume they have their cable-facing router setup to detect your MLPPP and send it to the MLPPP handling router. If you go via anothr ISP's cable service, your packets would arrive via the internet-facing router instead of the cable-facing router and likely miss theboat.
Now, if they do L2TP between your router and the ISP in order to carry PPPoE over IP, then an L2TP session could conceivably be from a teksavvy IP and use the internet to reach the IP of the router that handles the MLPPP at Acanac.
You can have a DSL from a third part. It would just be treated the same way as a Cable line. We will need to terminate your connection over the internet. I would recommend doing it this way or Bell may start once again complaining about giving out PPPOE logins to other ISP's. |
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1 edit | reply to the cerberus
Yes.... We will even offer a service plan without requiring any DSL or Cable service from Acanac in the near future. We will just provide you access to our LNS servers that do the bonding. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | Does the DSL portion use PPPoE to get an IP and then L2TP over that link to carry MLPPP to your LNS ?
Theoretically, could Guspaz use his unlimited Fido Data link (wireless) as onw of the links ? |
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 GuspazGuspazPremium,MVM
join:2001-11-05
Montreal, QC
kudos:16 | It's not unlimited, only 6GB |
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