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reply to El Quintron

Re: Cable-DSL and cable-cable MLPPP line bonding coming soon!

reply to CanerisErik
Is there any option for Single link MLPPP with the MLPPP line bonding for any cable connection from another isp? Also will this bypass any throttling for cable connections?

reply to El Quintron

reply to CanerisIlija

reply to maff
Currently there are no throttling on TPIA. Besides Rogers is using very different (and more primitive) throttling.

Correct me if I am wrong, they looks at # of upload connections. Not sure if Single line MLPPP (i.e. just header by itself) would bypass that at all. The bonding on the other hand would hide this.

Since its like a VPN on top of a cable connection it would bypass cable throttling, as VPNs without bonding currently do.
The dpi box is fooled into thinking the packet is just a VPN packet, and it doesnt look to see whats inside.
The same thing can be done over dsl to fool bell's boxes, however the mlppp isnt done this way, because ppp can happen on a lower layer, making less overhead, and bells boxes are fooled by not having regular ppp packet headers, so they are looking in the wrong spot.

reply to CanerisErik
Two questions:

Could you offer Static IPs / Remove port blocking for cable when bounding Cable+Cable (Videotron) ?

Does MLPPP introduce any kind of latancy/jitter on the connection like VPN do? What happen to MTU? This would have an effect on my voip connections and possibly gaming/time sensitive apps.

Would MLPPP be able to handle a beast like two 60Mbps/3Mbps connection ? (120Mbps/6Mbps total?)

Thanks Guspaz,

Just for clarification, at 1 you said it's like a VPN.

However typical vpn, will do encryption, some buffering and sometimes compression, thoses are usually the piece that add, latancy or jitter.

Does MLPPP support disabling all this, so packet flow with minimal processing ?

any issue with packet loss?

»www.pingtest.net/result/49797599.png
just did a test 3 line mlppp using openwrt/mlppp newest firmware on the TP-link

other are on the internet right now though. after a full reboot sometimes is 0 jitter at all.

reply to xcimo
MLPPP is typically not encrypted or compressed, and buffering adds a negligible amount of delay (I don't see any measurable difference in latency). Indeed, if you're using fragmentation, you can decrease effective latency by reducing the time it takes to send a packet. Since latency on a packet is a combination of how long it takes to move the data the distance, and how long it takes to get the data into the network to move (limited by the throughput of your upstream).
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reply to CanerisErik
On a two-line VDSL2 MLPPP bundle, I typically see 10ms first-hop latency, and all my data is going from Montreal to Toronto
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reply to CanerisErik
I'm a bit confused about this:

"but those wishing to bond cable or other types of links will not require the underlying cable service to be with Caneris or Acanac (and Caneris doesn't offer cable yet, obviously)."

Does that mean I could get 2 cable connection from videotron, bound them with MLPPP and terminate them at acanac ?

Why would the same not work with with 2 DSL from Bell?

I wonder how would this get billed.. since all the bandwidth actually is duplicated (billed at videotron, and possibly on the acanac end too....)

reply to CanerisErik
Right now, the requirement is that at least one of the connections in the bundle must be a Caneris or Acanac DSL line.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org

reply to CanerisErik
Hey guys,

I've been doing some research and you actually can combine multiple Internet lines (eg including a cable modem) to make a faster and more reliable one. The Internet lines can be different technologies and can come from different providers, and it is not necessary to have special software (e.g. MLPPP) or hardware at the provider premises - they don't even have to know you are bonding their line to another (it is done at layer 4).

For example, you could bond together four ADSL lines at 6Mbps down/ 768k up to create a 24Mbps down/ 3Mbps up connection, even for a single file transfer or a streaming video source. This is a lot cheaper than a bonded T1 line.

I'm sure if you google search for "broadband bonding" you'll find what you're looking for.

Hope this helps your search.

Layer 4 bonding is also known as "load balancing", and is generally undesirable because it doesn't act like one logical connection; no individual TCP connection can go faster than any individual link. It's kind of like "poor man's bonding".

MLPPP's major advantage is that it aggregates everything into a single logical link; to anything above layer 2, it looks like one single link.

Load balancing is more useful for servers or applications like BitTorrent that take advantage of many smaller connections. It's less useful for things that operate in single large transfers like HTTP or streaming. For example, load balancing together 34 three meg links would get you more than 100 megabits of aggregate bandwidth, but you could still not watch a simple 3.6 megabit HD Netflix stream.

EDIT: And it's worth mentioning that you can't do load balancing without special hardware or software, just like MLPPP. Whatever is acting as your router needs to direct connections over the various links and attempt to keep bandwidth load in proportion to link speeds.

EDIT2: Yeah, and I'm realizing now that this is obvious spam. 1 post, 3 site visits, and "broadband bonding" seems to be the name for some company's proprietary VPN-like bonding solution.
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Developer: Tomato/MLPPP, Linux/MLPPP, etc »fixppp.org

reply to CanerisErik
Hi there,

Just wondering if there is any update on WNDR3700v1 support. I have two of them and would like to use one of them to bond cable & DSL. I'll even switch over to Acanac or Caneris if needed. This should give redundancy. And if I can get some good upstream it would be nice to bond.

reply to CanerisErik
So it looks like this is available for Acanac now.

How about Caneris? Is it live yet? How much does it cost?