Topic 'Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada' in forum 'Canadian Broadband' - dslreports.com

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:52:18 EDT

anon posted : Or gather additional defendants once Harper passes US **AA's his government's new copyright law.

I hope the "We know what you did last summer" (TM) website brings a bit more awareness to people concerning their choice of file sharing methods. This war just like any recent US wars is far from over.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 30 Dec 2011 10:16:01 EDT

Lynn posted :

said by oh LOOK :

So there is a Russian website that is databasing what IP's are downloading what. The URL is: »www.youhavedownloaded.com/

I pumped in the Montreal Canadians IP address, 207.61.47.217. Yup this site nailed them. Though the Montreal Canadiens say it's impossible since their firewall blocks p2p ;)

Guess the tunes they play at the Montreal Bell Centre are pirated...

This would be Bells second and third strike...

Guess I have been a good girl

"Hi. We have no records on you.

This means you are using a private torrent tracker or, of course, you may not be a torrent user at all! It happens. Please, entertain yourself. Feel free to see what other people have downloaded. The search box is on the top. If you have any friends who use torrents, use it to scare them off. We also have a widget that you can install in your website, blog or Facebook page. Or you can just send them a link to this site. They will see a table similar to what you see below. The only difference �€” they will see their downloads.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:33:28 EDT

anon posted : The lawyers representing Voltage requested more time to gather defendants, and were granted until March 2nd to submit a report regarding their progress.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:32:17 EDT

Geek101 posted : There was an update yesterday (28 December 2011) on IPPractice:
»www.ippractice.ca/file-browser/?···-1373-11

Anyone has an idea of what these updates mean?

Also, has anyone heard something about the person that was suppose not to settle with them?

Thanks

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Thu, 15 Dec 2011 07:08:58 EDT

anon posted :

said by jfmezei:

I am not sure of his exact date of leaving the Union.

He's here, »www.allali.ca/en3/index.html.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:06:39 EDT

anon posted : »torrentfreak.com/busted-bittorre···-111213/

>After some initial skimming we’ve discovered BitTorrent pirates at nearly every major entertainment industry company in the US, including Sony Pictures Entertainment, Fox Entertainment and NBC Universal. Busted.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:19:49 EDT

jfmezei posted : I am not sure of his exact date of leaving the Union. Could be that the switch hasn't happened yet.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:18:18 EDT

anon posted : I didn't know that. His twitter page still says Union des Consommateurs.

Guess the Union des Consommateurs doesn't pay enough ;)

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:08:36 EDT

jfmezei posted : BTW, Anthony H�mond has left the Union des Consommateurs for a job in private practice. Don't know who his replacement will be.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:04:10 EDT

anon posted :

said by Walter Dnes:

My CURRENT IP address is listed there. Of course, with dynamic IP addresses, that doesn't prove anything.

Yup that's true.

However, The Bell Centre and the Hilton can't claim the same ;)

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:03:34 EDT

james45 posted : That's 2 commercial accounts out of 30. (Bell Center, and Hilton) What are the chances of that being an oversight. In the US lawsuits they always drop the commercial accounts, along with high profile people with money that might file disputes. And why are the settlement letters in Canada only $1500 when in the US they are double that amount. I think they want to make it look like a US style lawsuit, but the actual motive is to have the commercial accounts put pressure on their ISP's who will put pressure on the CRTC to allow them to block or throttle P2P. Sound logical???

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:36:10 EDT

Walter Dnes posted :

said by oh LOOK :

My CURRENT IP address is listed there. Of course, with dynamic IP addresses, that doesn't prove anything.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:12:16 EDT

anon posted : What is interesting with the Montreal Airport Hilton is that they run "SuperClick". From what I know of SuperClick is that each and every hotel user is tracked (name and room number type thing). So the Hilton just can't say they don't know who it is. They keep logs of this to also make money by selling info to marketers and advertisers.

So they know who went to what website or downloaded what. (also see »www.nerdblog.com/2007/01/supercl···vil.html for more on SuperClick, owned by AT&T)

Hilton running superclick seen here: »207.236.136.66/superclick/index.php

Now will the Hilton pay off the extortionists? Tell them to take a hike? Or divulge who their customers are so the hotel guest could be extorted?

This is another interesting one to watch...

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 09:03:26 EDT

anon posted : Oh. Look what else I found.

When I first went looking into these IP addresses (»Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada) I couldn't resolve a few of them. Particularly the 207.236.136.66 IP.

Well after checking out that new Russian database I found that only the Montreal Canadiens and that IP are listed out of the IP's (a quick check).

Lo and behold. that IP i just found out belongs to the MOntreal Airport Hilton Hotel!

IP Address: 207.236.136.66
IP Host: 207.236.136.66
Find IP Address Location for 'My IP' 207.236.136.66
Continent: North America (NA)
Country: Canada (CA)
State: Quebec
City: Montreal
ISP: Bell Canada
Organization: Hilton Montreal Airport

Another fine business protected by Bell Canada :p

Look what they downloaded: »www.youhavedownloaded.com/?q=207.236.136.66

heh ;)

Will the Hilton Hotel be sued? Or will they get a free pass?

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 11 Dec 2011 07:32:23 EDT

anon posted : So there is a Russian website that is databasing what IP's are downloading what. The URL is: »www.youhavedownloaded.com/

I pumped in the Montreal Canadians IP address, 207.61.47.217. Yup this site nailed them. Though the Montreal Canadiens say it's impossible since their firewall blocks p2p ;)

Guess the tunes they play at the Montreal Bell Centre are pirated...

This would be Bells second and third strike...

tsk tsk

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:59:00 EDT

james45 posted : »www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/29···810.html

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:01:01 EDT

anon posted :

said by ohmer:

I wonder if Aréna Canadien inc received the letter :D

They can pick and chose who they will extort. I highly doubt they will send an extortion letter to the Montreal Canadiens.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Tue, 29 Nov 2011 20:24:51 EDT

ohmer posted : I wonder if Ar�na Canadien inc received the letter :D

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:54:14 EDT

anon posted : Hurt Locker wants to hurt wallets of downloaders
»www.cjad.com/CJADLocalNews/entry···10318624

If you downloaded the Hollywood movie The Hurt Locker illegally off the Internet, you may be getting a lawyer's letter in the mail.

Voltage Pictures has hired a law firm to go after at least 30 Quebec downloaders, billing them for 15-hundred dollars each.

Voltage got the IP addresses from Bell, Cogeco and Videotron after a court ruling in September.

But can the movie studio be successful in its feat to get some compensation?

Anthony Hémond, a lawyer with the Consumer Union says, it will be very difficult. He says there is one big problem with the case and that's the fact that it's hard to zero in on the person who did the downloading by an IP address.

He notes an IP address represents a machine, not a person, so it's possible of identifying the wrong person.

His advice to anyone receiving one of these letters is to consult a lawyer. Bur if you know you are guilty, might be best to pay the 15-hundred dollar fee because if the movie company decides to pursue you, penalties can go as high as 20-thousand dollars.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 14:51:27 EDT

james45 posted : »technaute.cyberpresse.ca/nouvell···vis.php?

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Download The Hurt Locker: Canadian Internet users continued
Alain McKenna, Editor The Press
November 28, 2011 | 09 h 01

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Unable to charge of U.S. Internet users have downloaded and English for his film The Hurt Locker (Locker, in French) by the BitTorrent protocol, the American studio Voltage Pictures arrives in Canada, threatening to turn Quebec Internet prosecuted s' they did not pay immediately the amount of $ 1,500 each.

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Last week, the law firm Goudreau Gage Dubuc and was commissioned to write a letter of formal notice to nearly thirty Quebec Internet. In September, Voltage Pictures has obtained a federal court order requiring service providers Bell, Cogeco and Videotron to provide the identity of 30 of their customers they suspect of violating his copyright.

These were identified from the Internet address ("IP") modem that provided them these three companies to access the internet. The same method used by the American studio United States and the United Kingdom, where over 25,000 similar lawsuits are already underway. In both countries, no prosecution has yet been set for Voltage Pictures.

Identification method

In Canada too, this method of identification raises questions, since it does not identify beyond doubt the user who downloaded a particular file. This could be another family member, neighbor or a pure stranger, if access to the customer's network is not well protected, said Howard Knopf, a lawyer specializing in intellectual property and entitled to the internet firm Macera & Jarzyna in Ottawa

"It raises the strong possibility that there is mistaken identity and that the client is not the one who actually downloaded the film," he said, noting that this argument is that the prosecution was derailed similar started in 2004 by representatives of the music industry.

"At the time, they tried to prosecute minors and even the deceased. It has greatly harmed the image of the industry, "he adds. According to the lawyer, this may mean that the U.S. studio will not go to the end of his threats, rather than by mechanical rolling to scare users covered by its warnings.

And it seems to work, at least in part. Voltage Pictures and the firm Goudreau Gage Dubuc and refuse to comment publicly on the matter, but a source close to the record supports that part of the persons mentioned by the producer quickly contacted it to resolve the dispute "in a manner or another. "

However, all will not pay the $ 1,500 required. Under the condition of anonymity, at least one of the defendants told the press that he would await the verdict of a judge. In that and other targeted individuals, Mr. Anthony Hemond, telecommunications analyst for Consumers Union in Montreal, still recommend to consult a lawyer, because the penalty, if any, may reach $ 20 000, according to the Law on Copyright.

"They have an interest to come together to share the cost of a good defense, because the studio could decide to go through with his approach," he said.

Bell, Cogeco and Videotron stigmatized

Interestingly raised by both counsel, users referred to in this case reside in Quebec and are customers of suppliers Bell, Cogeco and Videotron. However, this is a federal issue, which applies to the entire country. Customers of Rogers, Shaw and Telus are they all absent from BitTorrent?

Not necessarily, Mr. Knopf noted, according to Bell and Videotron, in particular, have a historical bias in favor of industry. "In 2004, Shaw and Telus had defended the right to privacy of their customers. Bell has done nothing, while Vid�otron was on the side of the industry. Maybe if they had defended their clients at the time, there would be no prosecution today, "he said.

Anthony Hemond me agrees. He adds: "They could have more appeal and defend the privacy of their customers. One may ask about the degree of respect they show towards their customers and their privacy. "

Copyright open redefinition

The copyright is being redefined in Canada. It's been years that the government is trying to revise the definition to reflect the new digital reality. The proposed new version, Bill C-11, does not suit everyone, but it at least has the merit of better control where the law seems to have been violated.

In his letter sent to users targeted by Voltage Pictures in the case of the film The Hurt Locker, the firm Goudreau Gage Dubuc and cited two previous cases where people have been convicted. The penalty was set at $ 5,000 in the first case and $ 1,000 per film for 14 films, in the second.

Right now, the Law on Copyright remains rather vague about the seriousness of such offenses. If they were convicted, the defendants could be fined from 500 to 20 000 USD, an amount left to the judge's background and intentions of the person deemed at fault. If Bill C-11 is accepted before we make it that far, these amounts would be adjusted downwards, the limit proposed by C-11 is $ 5000.

The website of the Public Interest Clinic and Internet Policy in Canada (CIPPIC.ca), among others, provides tools for users keen to learn about the legal framework surrounding the download protocol for peer-to-peer, and for more information on Bill C-11.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Mon, 28 Nov 2011 11:24:29 EDT

BellACancer posted : Il semble bien que plusieurs "m�chants pirates" ont d�cid� de ne pas se d�fendre et de payer sous la menace.

Excellent article publi� aujourd'hui 28 novembre qui r�sume bien la situation :

»technaute.cyberpresse.ca/nouvell···vis.php?

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 22:02:51 EDT

anon posted :

said by Unknow :

http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6139/125/

there's a copy of the letter sent by lawyer...

What's on Geists site is a copy of the letters that people in the U.S.A. have got. We have yet to see what the people of Quebec will get, and if it will be in French, english or bilingual. It will be a bit different. Or if they will spell words like colour wrong :p

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:13:59 EDT

anon posted : »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6139/125/

there's a copy of the letter sent by lawyer...

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 14:03:25 EDT

anon posted : heh this sure will put a dent in Christmas plans for some Quebec families.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 12:11:59 EDT

anon posted : Updated Friday.

2011-11-18 - Montreal

Order dated 18-NOV-2011 rendered (e) by Richard Morneau, Prothonotary case considered without personal appearance The Court's decision is about (him / her / 's) Letter from Plaintiff dated 04-November -2011 for the next steps result (...) the Court orders that the parties comply with the following schedule: 1. identification of the defendants in the action 2. submission of a schedule in collaboration with the party or parties identified 3. sent to the Court of a progress report before the 16-DEC-2011. Filed (e) (s) on 18-NOV-2011 entered (e) in the book J. & O., volume 1141 page (s) 248 to 249 Interlocutory Decision

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 10:53:17 EDT

Jeffer71 posted :

said by chgo_man99:

since when newsgroup providers are free? I haven't found any. the one popular require subscription and have cap (depends on plan u pick).

Check your messages.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 03:58:12 EDT

chgo_man99 posted : since when newsgroup providers are free? I haven't found any. the one popular require subscription and have cap (depends on plan u pick).

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 01:57:27 EDT

Jeffer71 posted :

said by chgo_man99:

said by static416:

Giest talks about it: »www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5999/125/

TorrentFreak too:
»torrentfreak.com/hurt-locker-law···-110909/

Scary stuff, the ISPs are just rolling over for this too from the sounds of it.

Time to fire up that VPN.

My suggestion is don't. VPN is NOT enough for protection itself I know this from first hand experience. I used iPredator VPN to encrypt my traffic. It never disconnected and never failovered traffic over clear network and if it did, my p2p program was configured to stop transmission then. Regardless of this, I got DMCA letter from my ISP. I doubt it was PPTP Ipv6 hole, since I used Mac, not Windows. And I used laptop behind router. Clearly either PPTP is very weak, or folks from PirateBay who run iPredator are incompetent with what they promise - staying anonymous. After this I just gave up and now just rent dvds and rent online legally.

There is a well known hole in iPredators vpn service if IPv6 is enabled on your computer. I also wouldn't be trusting PPTP for doing ANYTHING and hoping to be anonymous.

It amazes me that with free newsgroup providers and the simplicity of Nzb's people are willing to risk it all downloading through shitty torrents. It's not like there hasn't been any warning of torrents being unsafe, the lawsuits have only been going on for years in the States.

If you want true anonymity it's out there, you just have to do some research. Downloading warez on a Pirate sites VPN screams Stay the Hell AWAY to me on so many levels.

Oh well the big medias lawyers are counting on people like you...

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 20 Nov 2011 00:10:43 EDT

chgo_man99 posted :

said by static416:

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:25:40 EDT

anon posted :

said by sm5w2:

For the canadians accused of torrenting those movies:

a) when did this torrenting take place?
b) when did the courts compel the ISP's to reveal the owners of the IP address?
c) how do we know if the time difference (b - a) exceeds the time that ISP's normally store such data?

Start reading from the beginning of this post to find those answers.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:57:14 EDT

sm5w2 posted : For the canadians accused of torrenting those movies:

a) when did this torrenting take place?
b) when did the courts compel the ISP's to reveal the owners of the IP address?
c) how do we know if the time difference (b - a) exceeds the time that ISP's normally store such data?

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:18:07 EDT

anon posted : Hopefully someone that gets one if these letters steps forward so we can get a public interest group involved.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:57:31 EDT

Dunlop posted : According to Michael Geist's blog the lawsuit letters have been sent

$2900 is the magic number that will increase if not paid immediately

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 12:15:08 EDT

anon posted :

said by Concerned :

"JF goes back to Montreal for lunch, comes back with goodies for all"

Maybe this time JF will use his ipod to take pictures of the letters and Emails filed in court that no one was supposed to be able to see.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:53:22 EDT

anon posted : "JF goes back to Montreal for lunch, comes back with goodies for all"

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 03:51:49 EDT

Jeffer71 posted :

said by resa1983:

said by CanadianRip:

If I hijack my neighbours wifi and download child porn/then delete it. Should he go to jail? I think we need a better level of evidence than a simple IP address to prove a claim.

Its happened already:
»www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/0···rom-hell
Took 2 years to resolve.

Wow, what a douche. I almost think that in this case 18 years isn't enough.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Wed, 09 Nov 2011 01:03:39 EDT

jfmezei posted : The court web site lists 2 new entries.

One on Nov 4, from the lawyers representing Voltage outlining the actions that are to come.

And one on Nov 8th from the court to respond to this letter.

I guess one will have to go to the court to consult those documents.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 18:05:17 EDT

Geek101 posted : There are some updates on ippractice.ca:
»www.ippractice.ca/file-browser/?···-1373-11

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Tue, 08 Nov 2011 13:55:27 EDT

anon posted : Article from the Globe & Mail:

"NZ feels the throttling effects of new maximalist copyright laws"

»www.theglobeandmail.com/news/tec···6/page2/

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:04:27 EDT

resa1983 posted :

said by CanadianRip:

If I hijack my neighbours wifi and download child porn/then delete it. Should he go to jail? I think we need a better level of evidence than a simple IP address to prove a claim.

Its happened already:
»www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/0···rom-hell
Took 2 years to resolve.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 09:47:27 EDT

MaynardKrebs posted :

said by InvalidError:

said by CanadianRip:

If I hijack my neighbours wifi and download child porn/then delete it. Should he go to jail?

The evidence trail makes a hard stop at the person's IP and there is nothing that can be done about that, police has to investigate what they can. He might not go to jail but he'll most likely get a police raid for all his computer gadgets for forensic analysis.

And by Harpler logic, since he has no 'evidence' on his computer, the 'perp' must have downloaded it and then erased it -- making this a classic case of 'unreported' crime for which the perp must go to prison for obstruction of justice.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 09:15:01 EDT

InvalidError posted :

said by CanadianRip:

If I hijack my neighbours wifi and download child porn/then delete it. Should he go to jail?

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 08:54:47 EDT

globus999 posted :

said by CanadianRip:

I think we need a better level of evidence than a simple IP address to prove a claim.

BINGO! see: »Copyright Lawsuits - The Pink Elephant in the room defense

for a more interesting discussion.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 08:41:03 EDT

CanadianRip posted : To me this is kind of absurd. It's like saying someone from this phone number called and ordered a Pizza. It was a prank call so the owner of the phone number is liable.

However to add to that, the phone was accessible on a public road way where anyone could have walked or drove by to use it. If we start holding network operators/users for what criminals do on them, where does the burden of proof start and end.

If I hijack my neighbours wifi and download child porn/then delete it. Should he go to jail? I think we need a better level of evidence than a simple IP address to prove a claim.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:33:01 EDT

anon posted : After reading the court document, it states that the user has downloaded, copied and distributed the information. So they are stating that the user copied the file, however the torrent program does this automatically and wiil not allow you to download without distributing and the user did not intentionally copy the file. So would that not make bit torrent program creators liable for the copying? And would this not mean that the user only downloaded the movie and should not be held liable for the uploading? and if you can get that to fly well you didnt infringe any copyrights so therefor the case will be thrown out. Just a thought.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Fri, 04 Nov 2011 06:31:15 EDT

anon posted : It's Nov 4th.

What's the news, if any?

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 30 Oct 2011 19:04:39 EDT

jfmezei posted : Copyright is a federal law and is tried in federal court. Federal court has offices in provinces and in Ottawa. In this case, they sue the federal court in Qu�bec. But it is still a *federal* court.

Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

Sun, 30 Oct 2011 14:08:18 EDT

anon posted :

said by jfmezei:

BTW, There is a document in the legal file which states that the law firm representing Voltage has until November 4th to continue this process. I assume this means that this week is when they would be submitting real lawsuits against real individuals.

Is that what this is, »Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada in regards to Nov 4th?

I thought there were actions coming to Ontario Nov 4th when I read that, since it was filed in Ottawa it seems.