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49528867 (banned)
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Re: Hey Nunya Check Out The Hood. ;-)

said by nunya:

From a hurricane. How does that happen?

It's called wind, you know that gusty stuff that accompanies hurricanes, and it’s the same force that flattened almost every site built home and a few schools (shelters) in Homestead during Andrew, so it is not just a trailer park phenomena.

Wayne

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Re: Electrical problems in double-wide trailer

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A residential sprinkler system installed properly and to code should only cost about $5k to $7k for an average sized home.

Don't forget the insurance discount.

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said by whizkid3:

The most dangerous, IMHO, is the ancient oil-impregnated cloth-covered wiring (of any type) whose insulation crumbles off when touched.

The silvery colored braided jacket "romex" like stuff? That's what my house built in '62 has in most places. I find the stuff a little scary, but the local electricians all assure me it's perfectly safe. I found a 2' section of it above the ceiling in my garage that rodents had chewed through. That was a fire just waiting to happen.

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said by UHF:

The silvery colored braided jacket "romex" like stuff? That's what my house built in '62 has in most places. I find the stuff a little scary, but the local electricians all assure me it's perfectly safe.

Yes. It is relatively safe. Up to a certain age when the insulation deteriorates. Not sure what the lifespan is; but safe to say, 50 year old stuff has had it.

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said by whizkid3:

said by UHF:

The silvery colored braided jacket "romex" like stuff? That's what my house built in '62 has in most places. I find the stuff a little scary, but the local electricians all assure me it's perfectly safe.

Yes. It is relatively safe. Up to a certain age when the insulation deteriorates. Not sure what the lifespan is; but safe to say, 50 year old stuff has had it.

Excellent. I'm safe for another year then
The kitchen was rewired at some point when it was remodeled, so at least the highest current draw circuits have been replaced. From what I've been able to tell, as long as it isn't disturbed it seems to be fine. The insulation of the conductors inside seems fine, it's just the braided jacket that is getting a bit stiff and brittle.

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Don't forget some states offer a tax credit.

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I think you guys might be on 2 different pages. I believe UHF is talking about the jacket as opposed to the insulation on the wires.

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said by Cho Baka:

I think you guys might be on 2 different pages. I believe UHF is talking about the jacket as opposed to the insulation on the wires.

Correct, the jacket on the "cable" is the silver braided asphalt crap. The individual conductors have a plastic insulation which seems to be holding up well.

nunya
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So what ever happened with the sisters trailer? Did it get fixed?

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Right. That stuff is a lot newer and doesn't have the severe problems with insulation deterioration that older wiring did. Still, however, the braided cloth jacket does deteriorate over time. I was talking about the older wire.

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You really need to a call a certified hydro contractor to have those issues looked at, does not sound very safe at all. Sometimes those trailor park maintenance guys really seem to not have a clue!
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said by progeny :

You really need to a call a certified hydro contractor to have those issues looked at, does not sound very safe at all. Sometimes those trailor park maintenance guys really seem to not have a clue!

I think the OP asking the question is in the U.S. in which case, using the term "electrical contractor" may be a little less confusing.

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Re: Hey Nunya Check Out The Hood. ;-)

Sections of the street itself were gone. The concrete.
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Re: Electrical problems in double-wide trailer

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Feeder going into breaker box
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Gas pipe
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Feeder cable under trailer
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overall view.
Sorry I'm late with the pictures, but here they are:
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said by microphone:

said by progeny :

You really need to a call a certified hydro contractor to have those issues looked at, does not sound very safe at all. Sometimes those trailor park maintenance guys really seem to not have a clue!

I think the OP asking the question is in the U.S. in which case, using the term "electrical contractor" may be a little less confusing.

Actually, I spent a lot of time in Canada for work, and am familiar with the term "hydro" applying to electricity. Those were some of the best times in my life!

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Totally unacceptable on soooo many counts. Too many to list.

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said by Timmn:

Sorry I'm late with the pictures, but here they are:

YAAAAHHHHHHHHH!! I think I know a fire marshal who would have a STROKE if he saw that!

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Following Canadian nomenclature logic, in your case you'll need an "anthracite contractor" to come out an fix this mess. He may need to bring in a "nuclear tradesman" as well as a "methane specialist" depending on the hours of operation of any nearby peaking plants.
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said by nunya:

Totally unacceptable on soooo many counts. Too many to list.

Electrically other than the triplex not being buried and the Romex in the entrance conduit it’s more ugly than dangerous.

Now that rusted out gas pipe is a different story.

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said by Timmn:

The ground wire to the gas pipe worries me, but he said that all the trailers in the park were done that way.

The ground wire on the gas pipe is to bond it to the frame of the trailer and is SOP, but what has my attention is the level of corrosion going on under there, and while the electrical work looks like crap and might not meet the “code” it would work just fine if not for that what almost looks like flood damage.

Now I doubt the intermittent power loss is related to the work under her home because if something was to go south down there, in the condition it is in, it would not be intermittent, it would be all over.

That stated, and I am not trying to be a fear monger, but that gas line scares the crap out of me, it appears to be pin-holing between the junky zinc ground clamp and the strip of plumbers strap, the purpose of which I have not a clue, however this is not good.

A gas leak, which if propane, can puddle under the home and become a bomb, if it is natural gas the energy is lowered and since it is lighter than air it will dissipates, but if ignited a pinhole will become a torch under the trailer, which is not too cool…

Wayne
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Re: Hey Nunya Check Out The Hood. ;-)

said by nunya:

Sections of the street itself were gone. The concrete.

That sound like flooding which is another force of nature the building codes cannot override.

Wayne

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said by 49528867:

said by nunya:

Sections of the street itself were gone. The concrete.

That sound like flooding which is another force of nature the building codes cannot override.

Well, they actually can by simply prohibiting building in flood zones. Of course, the problem is that lots of homes already exist there, and we occasionally have record breaking floods that no one could foresee.

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Re: Electrical problems in double-wide trailer

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That stated, and I am not trying to be a fear monger, but that gas line scares the crap out of me, it appears to be pin-holing between the junky zinc ground clamp and the strip of plumbers strap, the purpose of which I have not a clue, however this is not good.

That heavily corroded area of the pipe looks wet to me. Either there is something dripping from above or this is not a gas pipe but the water supply. Of course something dripping from above (if it has been going on long enough) could well explain the amount of corrosion that we see in the picture.
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said by 49528867:

That stated, and I am not trying to be a fear monger, but that gas line scares the crap out of me, it appears to be pin-holing between the junky zinc ground clamp and the strip of plumbers strap, the purpose of which I have not a clue, however this is not good.

A gas leak, which if propane, can puddle under the home and become a bomb, if it is natural gas the energy is lowered and since it is lighter than air it will dissipates, but if ignited a pinhole will become a torch under the trailer, which is not too cool…

Wayne

Her hot water heater was leaking, which was the cause of any water coming from above, but the water leak made the mud situation under the trailer worse, it wasn't the cause.

The trailer park was built on a hill, and my Sister's lot is almost at the bottom of it, so whenever it rains, the run off goes underneath her trailer and seems to stay there. Every time I have worked under there, it has been in mud.

Everything that can corrode under the trailer has.

The gas in the trailer park is natural gas. Since the pipe was put in by the park, I'll have to check and see if they are responsible for it.

The plumbers strap is what is holding the gas pipe in place, one end is wrapped around the pipe, the other end is attached to the frame of the trailer.

See what I mean about this quickly becoming a book?

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said by Timmn:

The trailer park was built on a hill, and my Sister's lot is almost at the bottom of it, so whenever it rains, the run off goes underneath her trailer and seems to stay there. Every time I have worked under there, it has been in mud.

That sucks. Can you make some small trench around it to channel the water away?
Timmn
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said by aurgathor:

That sucks. Can you make some small trench around it to channel the water away?

I was thinking about that, but I think the trench would probably turn into a ditch that would have to go from the back of the trailer, around the side, to the front, and out to the street. There are a few problems with that, the biggest of which is that I doubt the park management would allow it, and secondly, at the moment, I'm not physically up to the challenge. Also, with all the utilities coming in underground, I don't know what I would run into if I did that.

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OT: Where is she located? (Likely not near Tinley Park). The only MH park I remember in the Chi area was in Elk Grove Village-and AA 191 went after that.
Timmn
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said by jrs8084:

OT: Where is she located? (Likely not near Tinley Park). The only MH park I remember in the Chi area was in Elk Grove Village-and AA 191 went after that.

It's not near Tinley Park, I'd tell you where it is, but I've already been a big pain in the ass to the park management, and I'd rather not give them a reason to drag me into court.

However, there are many trailer courts in the Chicago area, some are good, some aren't.

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said by Timmn:

said by jrs8084:

OT: Where is she located? (Likely not near Tinley Park). The only MH park I remember in the Chi area was in Elk Grove Village-and AA 191 went after that.

It's not near Tinley Park, I'd tell you where it is, but I've already been a big pain in the ass to the park management, and I'd rather not give them a reason to drag me into court.

However, there are many trailer courts in the Chicago area, some are good, some aren't.

Understood

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Please call a local hydro repair tech that is licensed before somebody is injured or there is a fire. This is not something you should be doing yourself.