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Steely
I rise when the sun goes down
Premium
join:2000-10-15
Princeton Junction, NJ
kudos:1
reply to jgNJ

Re: [HD] FCC Rules on Verizon Access to MSG HD

said by jgNJ:

580 is used by some much less important and unnecessary programming.

LOL!!!

Mac973

join:2009-05-18
West Orange, NJ
reply to Greg2600

said by Greg2600:

said by robjlevin:

My guess is that there are a lot of people at CVC and MSG that are secretly pleased to see Jim Dolan lose this battle.

This is a definite little boost for MSG the company, as well as the sports teams on MSG. It means more viewers. The only group it hurts is CVC, to which I say, ha ha.

This may hurt their ego, but the only way it hurts them financially is if a large number of customers leave CV for Verizon. It will be some time before we know that, but my guess is there will be minimal defection.

nightrider76

join:2011-12-16
Merrick, NY
reply to brownk

Minimal defection??? Kidding....I have been a CV customer 20+ yrs, i have been waiting in the wings for Fios to get MSG HD, I just placed my order for Fios today...good ridden's CV and its horrible internet speeds...


chewypgh

join:2007-12-17
Pittsburgh, PA

I don't live in NY, but I'd be curious to find out how long it takes for Verizon to start advertising that they now have MSG HD and MSG+ HD.



BuffFiOS

@rr.com
reply to brownk

What I find interesting is that on TWC and DirecTV the Sabres have their own overflow channel for MSG HD. However, on FiOS, the guide lists the Sabres game tonight on the standard MSG HD channel. While that's fine with me since I'm not particularly interested in the other MSG shows, I wonder why or how FiOS is operating this differently than the other carriers? Hopefully, the guide is correct an the game actually WILL be on, but my curiosity is still piqued!



bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ

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reply to chewypgh

said by chewypgh:

I don't live in NY, but I'd be curious to find out how long it takes for Verizon to start advertising that they now have MSG HD and MSG+ HD.

Some people have seen verizon ads last week regarding the availability of MSGHD.

robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to nightrider76

said by nightrider76:

Minimal defection??? Kidding....I have been a CV customer 20+ yrs, i have been waiting in the wings for Fios to get MSG HD, I just placed my order for Fios today...good ridden's CV and its horrible internet speeds...

There's still that thing called inertia. The people who post on this board are not indicative of the general population. The ones who want this channel want it badly but it's a very very small percent of the population.

Yes, FiOS will get a bump and CVC will take a bit of hit but it won't be a killer.


bohratom
Jersey Shore is back again.

join:2011-07-07
Red Bank NJ

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reply to brownk

If you think it was bad when we only had SD MSG, check out this story about MSG and TWC.

»www.nypost.com/p/news/business/t···zr5bKbUP


nightrider76

join:2011-12-16
Merrick, NY
reply to robjlevin

Not a killer no, but look how hard CV fought to keep VZ & AT&T from getting MSG HD..That tells you CV knows they will lose a decent amount of customers, people like me who want the better service and pricing (promo) but didnt want to watch there fav sprts team in SD on there house full of HD tv's... Im excited, I get to save $60+ a month for the next 2 years, free DVR that i can share with the whole house. When my promo ends and my VZ bill sky rockets, i might be forced to go back to CV, but I'll worry about that on 12/2013.



MuDvAyNe
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Brooklyn, NY
Reviews:
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said by nightrider76:

Not a killer no, but look how hard CV fought to keep VZ & AT&T from getting MSG HD..That tells you CV knows they will lose a decent amount of customers, people like me who want the better service and pricing (promo) but didnt want to watch there fav sprts team in SD on there house full of HD tv's... Im excited, I get to save $60+ a month for the next 2 years, free DVR that i can share with the whole house. When my promo ends and my VZ bill sky rockets, i might be forced to go back to CV, but I'll worry about that on 12/2013.

When that time comes just call up Verizon and ask to be locked in for another 2 years. They want to keep you as a customer and away from CV.
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Mets, Cowboys, Devils


nycdave
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reply to nightrider76

said by nightrider76:

Not a killer no, but look how hard CV fought to keep VZ & AT&T from getting MSG HD..That tells you CV knows they will lose a decent amount of customers, people like me who want the better service and pricing (promo) but didnt want to watch there fav sprts team in SD on there house full of HD tv's... Im excited, I get to save $60+ a month for the next 2 years, free DVR that i can share with the whole house. When my promo ends and my VZ bill sky rockets, i might be forced to go back to CV, but I'll worry about that on 12/2013.

VZ doesn't play the same promo game as Cablevision. You can renew after 2 years at the current promo rates at your renewal time.


TitusTroy

join:2009-06-18
New York, NY
reply to MuDvAyNe

one thing that never made sense to me regarding Cablevision's fight to keep the HD feeds of MSG off of FiOS and U-Verse is this...Cablevision is worried about losing subscribers to FiOS over MSG HD and that is a legit concern but won't the number of subscribers who leave be offset by the millions of new and existing FiOS customers who now have to pay a small fee (a few cents a month?) to Verizon who in turn pays an even bigger fee to Cablevision?

so in the end won't Cablevision be making more money by allowing competiters access to these channels?

I actually understand why the Dolan's fought this for so long as it is a competitive advantage...judging by this thread alone you can see how many people are passionate about MSG HD...but in the end it's all about $$ and fighting this for years only cost the Dolan's millions in legal fees and potential subsciber fees...makes no real sense


nightrider76

join:2011-12-16
Merrick, NY
reply to nycdave

The Dolans need to go away...At least the Rangers are a team to watch this year (knock on wood), but how long have we suffered with the monopoly they had in regards to cable and the poor product they put in the garden. If i can give the Dolans any credit, its they are loyal...Cant wait to see Isiah Thomas in control of the Knicks again...HAHAHAHA


skohly

join:2009-08-19
Township Of Washington, NJ

said by nightrider76:

Thats awesome. I cant wait too see what CV offers me to stay with them. I can only see staying with them if they gave me the service for free..lol...No but seriously, how hard would they try? knock down my current bill from $216 to $50? then maybe...lol

Even if it's a close, go with FIOS. There is no comparison.


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
reply to TitusTroy

said by TitusTroy:

one thing that never made sense to me regarding Cablevision's fight to keep the HD feeds of MSG off of FiOS and U-Verse is this...Cablevision is worried about losing subscribers to FiOS over MSG HD and that is a legit concern but won't the number of subscribers who leave be offset by the millions of new and existing FiOS customers who now have to pay a small fee (a few cents a month?) to Verizon who in turn pays an even bigger fee to Cablevision?

so in the end won't Cablevision be making more money by allowing competiters access to these channels?

I actually understand why the Dolan's fought this for so long as it is a competitive advantage...judging by this thread alone you can see how many people are passionate about MSG HD...but in the end it's all about $$ and fighting this for years only cost the Dolan's millions in legal fees and potential subsciber fees...makes no real sense

How can it be offset? Say Cablevision gets $.60 a month for each Verizon subscriber at 3 million subscribers. That would be $1,800,000 a month. Now say they lose 100,000 subs to VZ for this new deal, people who were paying $110 a month to CV, that's $11,000,000 lost per month against $1,800,000 new money received.


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY

To add to my last post, it's probably not even 3,000,000 subs VZ has to pay because these channels are only in a few VHO's.


skohly

join:2009-08-19
Township Of Washington, NJ
reply to matcarl

said by matcarl:

said by TitusTroy:

one thing that never made sense to me regarding Cablevision's fight to keep the HD feeds of MSG off of FiOS and U-Verse is this...Cablevision is worried about losing subscribers to FiOS over MSG HD and that is a legit concern but won't the number of subscribers who leave be offset by the millions of new and existing FiOS customers who now have to pay a small fee (a few cents a month?) to Verizon who in turn pays an even bigger fee to Cablevision?

so in the end won't Cablevision be making more money by allowing competiters access to these channels?

I actually understand why the Dolan's fought this for so long as it is a competitive advantage...judging by this thread alone you can see how many people are passionate about MSG HD...but in the end it's all about $$ and fighting this for years only cost the Dolan's millions in legal fees and potential subsciber fees...makes no real sense

How can it be offset? Say Cablevision gets $.60 a month for each Verizon subscriber at 3 million subscribers. That would be $1,800,000 a month. Now say they lose 100,000 subs to VZ for this new deal, people who were paying $110 a month to CV, that's $11,000,000 lost per month against $1,800,000 new money received.

I think that $.60 a month for each VZ subscribe is way off. I think it's more like $4.00 per for both MSG and MSGplus. That's according to NY post article about the issues between TW and MSG. 6o cents is way low ball number

nlk10010

join:2007-06-27
Great Neck, NY
reply to robjlevin

said by robjlevin:

There's still that thing called inertia. The people who post on this board are not indicative of the general population. The ones who want this channel want it badly but it's a very very small percent of the population.

Yes, FiOS will get a bump and CVC will take a bit of hit but it won't be a killer.

I tend to agree. IF you had terrible Internet with CV AND you cared then you've probably already left. Otherwise, there are a lot of people with CV who either have OK Internet or don't care, CV installation is simpler and CV's HD channel lineup (IMO and in the opinion of a lot of people I've heard talk about it) beats Verizon's by a significant margin. Of course there are those who will want quality, etc. but, as I mentioned, they've probably already left CV.


matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY
reply to skohly

Wow Skohly, You think it's up there with ESPN? I just threw the $.60 as an example, but $4?


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ

Here's the Post article:

»www.nypost.com/p/news/business/t···zr5bKbUP

But no way this going to cost CVC 100k subs.



matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY

Thanks Rob. So taking that into account and the fact you said it won't be anywhere near 100,000 subs, then it might end up a wash with the money involved, but CV would still lose on PPV and On Demand from subs and just by going down in numbers with subs wouldn't look good, they don't want that even if the money ends up being the same.


nightrider76

join:2011-12-16
Merrick, NY
reply to brownk

I ordered The Fios TV Extreme package, according to the channel lineup on the Fios website it looks like MSG 2 isnt available in SD format, need to get the ultimate package..Is this true? Doesn't make sense since every other MSG channel is available.



matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY

They all are in Extreme, don't worry.


nightrider76

join:2011-12-16
Merrick, NY

Thanks!


Clearpix

join:2008-01-17
Wilmington, DE
reply to brownk

Someone from Cablevision was scared. In fact it was the COO. He resigned Thursday when the VZ court decision was final.

»online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142···540.html


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to matcarl

In the end it might cost them some subs, but don't forget, VZ isn't exactly winning any popularity contests with their billing issues and missed appointments. People do switch from FiOS to competitors.

As I said earlier, inertia rules. How many people do you think buy these services for anything other than price? The percentage is miniscule.

I had a Comcast guy knock on my door a couple of weeks ago trying to sign me up. When I explained that I had FiOS phone and internet and DirecTV for TV he asked what I was paying. Told him price wasn't the issue. I wanted what I wanted and that included fast uploads and lots of HD hockey. Comcast offers neither.

He respected what I had to say but told me that I was in a very small group that didn't care about cost and that dollars was the first question he gets from almost everyone.



matcarl
Premium
join:2007-03-09
Franklin Square, NY

You are correct, most people switch just to save a buck. Everyone on this board is in the minority.



JCapra

@verizon.net
reply to robjlevin

In the case against TWC, Verizon having MSGHD probably helps CV as subscribers with a choice between TWC and FIOS now have an alternative for MSG HD. So while I'm sure CV didn't love losing the fight against verizon, i think it helps their negotiations with TWC.



motorola870

join:2008-12-07
Arlington, TX
kudos:3

anyone know what QAM these channel were put on?



Pepsiman

join:2002-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
reply to brownk

I just got home from work to find a new message on my fios TV, which states great News, MSG HD and MSG Plus HD Networks are now included with select packages on channels 578 and 580, so now I am watching MSG, I guess cablevision let VZ Fios have it.