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majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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wait

Doesnt this change now that msg and cablevision are two seperate companies?


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ

No. It doesn't change a thing.


majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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said by robjlevin:

No. It doesn't change a thing.

Technically the company is not cable affiliated anymore. This would now be the same reason why direct tv can have nfl package and cablevision cant.

Also I am pretty sure the companies split up AFTER the ruling. The ruling came into effect this past june.

robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ

Still Apples and Oranges. The NFL opened the bidding and only DirecTV was willing to spend the money. This an EXCLUSIVE deal for OUT OF MARKET sports.

MSG, MSG+ and CSN Philly are NOT EXCLUSIVE (Cablevision sells to everyone but FiOS and ATT and Comcast to everyone but DTV and Dish) and are for LOCAL Market sports.


majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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Its not cablevision anymore. Cablevision and msg are sperate companies now. From what the ruling states msg can do what they want because they are NOT cable affiliated anymore.


robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ

Where does it say that?


majortom1029

join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
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The linked pdf states cable affiliated all over it. Now that msg is a sperate company from cablevision that would make it not affiliated with cablevision anymore.

Also if it still applies it would also mean cablevision would have to be allowed to buy access to fios one and verizon would have to be allowed to buy access to news 12.


JPL
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join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
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said by majortom1029:

The linked pdf states cable affiliated all over it. Now that msg is a sperate company from cablevision that would make it not affiliated with cablevision anymore.

Also if it still applies it would also mean cablevision would have to be allowed to buy access to fios one and verizon would have to be allowed to buy access to news 12.

First off, yes, CV spun off the company. But MSG is still a wholly-owned subsidiary of CV. It's owned by the same people. Which means, the ruling still applies. For all intents and purposes it's still property of CV. Otherwise, could you imagine what would happen if companies could hide things that way? It's what 'shell' companies are all about. Besides, I think CV made that little move just for this reason - as an attempt to say 'see! We don't own the company anymore!' Nonsense. They still do. Just because they technically spun it off doesn't mean that it really is spun off.

And yes, this means that FiOS could demand news 12. There's no guarantee they would get it. The FCC ruling hinged on RSNs in particular, but yes, the ruling applies to any channel that's owned by a cable company that's distributed terrestrially. But the hand-over isn't automatic. Verizon would have to go to the FCC and demonstrate how not having News 12 hurts them in the NY market. There's no guarantee they would win that one.

Also, you're assuming that they even want the channel. Which is dubious. Comcast took a local channel that they owned, called CN8, and changed it to TCN (The Comcast Network). TCN has spill-overs of some games that would normally be carried on CSN. But Comcast still offers up that channel to whomever wants it - yes, even direcTV and dish could take it they wanted. Even Verizon balked at first, thinking there was little demand for the channel. That was until they got lots of requests for the channel from people in this area. And that took months. So, I have a feeling, with all the channels in the NY market, it seems unlikely to me that Verizon would make a play for News 12. And even if they did, there's no guarantee that they would get it.

robjlevin

join:2002-10-30
Millington, NJ
reply to majortom1029

The whole thing revolves around essential programming that can't be duplicated. No way that News 12 or FiOS 1 comes close t that.


UofMiamiGrad
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join:2001-02-03
Great Neck, NY
reply to majortom1029

said by majortom1029:

The linked pdf states cable affiliated all over it. Now that msg is a sperate company from cablevision that would make it not affiliated with cablevision anymore.

Read the decision (it's long) on why FCC is not going for the "they are separate companies" BS.

»transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Release···94A1.pdf

Page 6: "In February 2010, Madison Square Garden, Inc. (MSG Inc.) was spun off from Cablevision, becoming a separate public company.32 Defendant MSG LP is now a wholly owned subsidiary of MSG Inc.33 Despite this spin off, Defendants admit that MSG LP is affiliated with Cablevision pursuant to the Commissions attribution rules because Cablevision and MSG LP share a common controlling shareholder (the Dolan family) and thus are under common control.34