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Curious me
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Re: Hurt Locker P2P Lawsuit Comes to Canada

said by Concerned :

Would be helpful if some lawyers from Evenko got involved now to appeal the decision on release of information before time runs out on the appeal.

I honestly can't see this happening. For sure it's worth the shot but the owner of this also owned TV stations (KangarooTV, sports only that I think was sold to the NFL, but i'm not 100% sure), music and on and on.

The owner of this IP also filed to support Bell Canada when they purchased CTV and the whole worry of verticle integration came out and exclusive contracts which in turn led to this »CRTC decision on vertical integration 2011-601

This is a good ol boy. I can't see them fighting Bell when they filed in support of Bell.

In my personal belief, this is a setup.

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Lets hope this gets public, and fast.
static416
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said by Curious me :

I honestly can't see this happening. For sure it's worth the shot but the owner of this also owned TV stations (KangarooTV, sports only that I think was sold to the NFL, but i'm not 100% sure), music and on and on.

The owner of this IP also filed to support Bell Canada when they purchased CTV and the whole worry of verticle integration came out and exclusive contracts which in turn led to this »CRTC decision on vertical integration 2011-601

This is a good ol boy. I can't see them fighting Bell when they filed in support of Bell.

In my personal belief, this is a setup.

It is suspicious, and I agree that I can't see them fighting Bell on the privacy part of this. On top of the existing conflicting interests, the subscriber information has already been provided (it was given two weeks after the hearing), and much time remaining for any lawyer to appeal on.

That said, while they might not fight Bell, I don't see why they wouldn't fight Voltage. Accepting liability for everything that everyone in your stadium downloads is ludicrous and is not something any large infrastructure owner would accept.

They HAVE to fight it, acknowledging defeat would just open the floodgates to letting anyone with any copyrights to sue you continually.

In fact, I doubt Voltage would even bother attempting to settle once they see who the owner of that IP is.

Despite this specific case never getting to court, it serves as a great example for those that do. If an IP is at-best no better than a street address, how can you sue someone based only on that evidence?

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said by static416:

In fact, I doubt Voltage would even bother attempting to settle once they see who the owner of that IP is.

I can agree with that. Chances are they will send extortion letters to Mom & Pop in Asbestos, Quebec, and never send one to this place.

They can pick and choose who they will try and sue or extort for money. I can't see this one little Canadiens franchise (out of many) and worth hundreds of millions of dollars being intimidated.
static416
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said by Curious me :

They can pick and choose who they will try and sue or extort for money. I can't see this one little Canadiens franchise (out of many) and worth hundreds of millions of dollars being intimidated.

That's the other thing, didn't Voltage publicly state in response to a question about these IP addresses that they didn't intend to sue? I thought I saw that somewhere. I'll poke around more.

But lately there was a story about how some music distributors are just nicely asking people send in $10 without getting their information or threatening to sue. Essentially just asking for a voluntary payment from the IP that appears in the BT tracker. Maybe that's what Voltage will do? Seems unlikely though, given their history in the US and UK.

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@static416
»thewirereport.ca/reports ··· o_canada
That's the post you're looking for.
static416
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said by Concerned :

@static416
»thewirereport.ca/reports ··· o_canada
That's the post you're looking for.

Oh right, thanks. I complained about how it's behind a paywall. Well, guess I'll request a free trial and wait.

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said by static416:

That's the other thing, didn't Voltage publicly state in response to a question about these IP addresses that they didn't intend to sue?

"Intend" is a weasel word.

I don't "intend" to sue you unless you pay my extortion fee.

"Intend" is not a definite no.
Curious me

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said by Concerned :

@static416
»thewirereport.ca/reports ··· o_canada
That's the post you're looking for.

Oh right, thanks. I complained about how it's behind a paywall. Well, guess I'll request a free trial and wait.

Just Email David Fewer of CIPPIC.ca instead. He will likely have more and better insight than that report.

These people are very approachable and decent.
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said by Curious me :

said by static416:

That's the other thing, didn't Voltage publicly state in response to a question about these IP addresses that they didn't intend to sue?

"Intend" is a weasel word.

I don't "intend" to sue you unless you pay my extortion fee.

"Intend" is not a definite no.

so walk up to a cop and tell him "i don't 'intend' to shoot you" see what mister cop does....
static416
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said by Concerned :

@static416
»thewirereport.ca/reports ··· o_canada
That's the post you're looking for.

Hmm. So it looks like nowhere in that article did Voltage say they wouldn't sue now. I know that a few years ago they said that, but I can't find a source that they said that regarding this case.

In fact, in the court documentation Voltage said "Obtaining the names and addresses of the defendants will accelerate the pursuit of this action [suing for infringement]. If Voltage Pictures LLC does not obtain this information, it cannot claim its rights."

So I guess it's pretty clear what they intend to do. The Montreal Canadians better start saving their pennies.