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Jack_in_VA
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Re: Pics of our major kitchen/den remodel

said by 49528867:

I was wondering how long it would take before the "inspectors" came out.

That is now answered. :-(

Wayne

The OP did an excellent job of sharing his renovation project. The results were excellent but you're right the "inspectors" and super critics are always around.


dolphins
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I would kill, maim, punch, look at someone unfavorably for a bigger kitchen.

But alas 3 of the 4 walls of my kitchen are bearing with the 4th being the basement stairwell.
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whizkid3
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said by sempergoofy:

old pine paneling was we were just tired of it after nearly 30 years in this house. As for the waste, I did look into recycling the pine paneling.

Jeeze. All that wood and you haven't built a fire in years!

We have ours cranking all winter.


PSWired

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reply to sempergoofy
Another idea for the fireplace--stacked flagstone veneer over the brick. See what you think of the photos at the bottom:

»norstone.com.au/st_rockpanel_ins···tion.asp


jrs8084
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Obviously, it is a very nice upgrade.

What I wonder is how long it will be in the future (maybe you will be off in assisted living) when some new owner comes in and starts renovating and starts tearing down the sheetrock in disbelief that anybody would dare cover up such "beautiful wood".

You know how history repeats itself.


Spork35

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Methuen, MA
said by jrs8084:

What I wonder is how long it will be in the future (maybe you will be off in assisted living) when some new owner comes in and starts renovating and starts tearing down the sheetrock in disbelief that anybody would dare cover up such "beautiful wood".

Why would they pull off the drywall on the ceiling?


sempergoofy
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reply to PSWired
said by PSWired:

Another idea for the fireplace--stacked flagstone veneer over the brick. See what you think of the photos at the bottom:

»norstone.com.au/st_rockpanel_ins···tion.asp

That is a neat fireplace renovation, but my initial reaction is that those solutions would not lighten up the color enough unless enough really light flagstone could be acquired.
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sempergoofy
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said by Spork35:

said by jrs8084:

What I wonder is how long it will be in the future (maybe you will be off in assisted living) when some new owner comes in and starts renovating and starts tearing down the sheetrock in disbelief that anybody would dare cover up such "beautiful wood".

Why would they pull off the drywall on the ceiling?

The future people will probably be saying, "@#$%& Why didn't they pull down the wood before putting up the drywall?" especially if all they are wanting to do is something like add a new box for a light. A simple keyhole saw event through drywall turns into a jigsaw or hole saw on a drill event.

If I had been doing the work myself, I would have pulled down the wood too just because. It certainly increases the destruction mess and then requires replacing insulation. But it would probably have avoided the seam cracking issue that had to be addressed later. Again, there was nothing so wrong with their plan to just go over the wood with drywall.

I have to keep a close eye on this, especially next summer when the heat is at its maximum again to assure the two things that were done to address it (screws through the boards into joists and additional insulation) were enough to prevent cracking. I have high confidence that the problem is gone. The work is warranted for a year, so I would have the option of calling them back to fix if it cracks again.
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bryank

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Plainfield, IL

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reply to 49528867
said by 49528867:

said by bryank:

Isn't the outlet under the sink supposed to be GFCI?

I was wondering how long it would take before the "inspectors" came out.

That is now answered. :-(

Wayne

I am an in no way an inspector but a DIY'er and I was simply asking a question pertaining to code/good practice. I don't post much in the Home Improvement forum instead I read and gain knowledge from all the pro's and guru's here. Sorry for asking a simple question.


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said by bryank:

I am an in no way an inspector but a DIY'er and I was simply asking a question pertaining to code/good practice.

I think it was a valid question asked properly. Perhaps the circuit breaker is GFCI?
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sempergoofy
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Neither the quad outlet outlet nor its breaker (it is a dedicated circuit) are GFCI under the sink. Everything above the countertops are GFCI protected as required (and verified during inspection). I asked the electrician why the below sink was not getting GFCI as he was installing. He indicated that motors (such as my recirculator pump motor for which the outlets were installed, or a disposal) don't always get along well with GFCI outlets.

Now, having been around this forum long enough, I know better than to try and cite or interpret the NEC. We have real resident expert members here for that. Until and if they chime in, I will offer up one web reference found via google from an inspection site. The Internet salt grains are over there in the shaker to season: »www.nachi.org/forum/f11/question···t-58095/

While certainly no guarantee of anything, remember that the county did perform a final electrical inspection, and the only thing that prevented passing on the first visit was the absence of the outlet at the end of the peninsula which was corrected.

Now, please, for the love of forum enjoyment, can we avoid if at all possible having this thread degenerate into GFCI-wars? I'll bet there are enough threads where that has happened to keep folks reading the archives for a month.
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towerdave

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reply to sempergoofy
said by sempergoofy:

If I had been doing the work myself, I would have pulled down the wood too just because. It certainly increases the destruction mess and then requires replacing insulation. But it would probably have avoided the seam cracking issue that had to be addressed later. Again, there was nothing so wrong with their plan to just go over the wood with drywall.

I have to keep a close eye on this, especially next summer when the heat is at its maximum again to assure the two things that were done to address it (screws through the boards into joists and additional insulation) were enough to prevent cracking. I have high confidence that the problem is gone. The work is warranted for a year, so I would have the option of calling them back to fix if it cracks again.

We removed a drop ceiling and replaced it with new joists and drywall, and our seams are all cracked. The guy that did it was relatively new to the game, so when we had our kitchen redone, we asked the guy we got for that (he's been doing drywall for 20 or 30 years) to look at it and he said that he thinks the new lumber causes it these days, due to more moisture, or the wood, or something. It expands and contracts more. He says he sees that a lot in new houses.

We put up crown in that room to take care of the cracks around the tops of the walls, and we'll paint to cover the other seams, but it's a bit annoying.

So removing the pine panelling may have helped in your case, but only if you weren't replacing the joists in the ceiling.

TD


Drex
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My wife would absolutely LOVE this kitchen...Great job! Looks awesome!
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dolphins
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reply to sempergoofy
said by sempergoofy:

The future people will probably be saying, "@#$%& Why didn't they pull down the wood before putting up the drywall?"

Not me, I would say thank you for leaving the wood. I would probably take it down refinish it and put it back up.
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whizkid3
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said by sempergoofy:

can we avoid if at all possible having this thread degenerate into GFCI-wars?

Absolutely and very easily so. There is only one sentence in the NEC and it covers it all: "Requirements. GFCI. Kitchens - where the receptacles are intended to serve the counter-top surfaces." End of story. Your receptacle is fine, sempergoofy See Profile.


sempergoofy
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reply to jester121
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Trim picture 1 (with flash)
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Trim picture 2 (w/o flash)
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Trim picture 3 (side angle)
said by jester121:

I for one would like to see how the microwave turns out after you have the custom trim pieces installed. That was the one thing that jumped out at me as an "uh oh, what did he do?" question.

I received the custom trim kit yesterday. Installed it this morning. You wanted to pics. Here you are.

There are slots on the back of the upper piece into which the side pieces slide into. Four screws. They pre-drilled the holes and amazingly everything lined up perfectly. It is a nice piece of work. Cost was $108 plus shipping from www.microtrim.com.
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Ken
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What made you go with that shelf style microwave as opposed to the variety meant to mount to the wall?


jester121
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reply to sempergoofy
That trims it out very nicely IMO.


sempergoofy
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reply to Ken
said by Ken:

What made you go with that shelf style microwave as opposed to the variety meant to mount to the wall?

Honestly? Failure to scope out all available options is my truthful answer. We knew we wanted the microwave off of the countertop to free up counter space. The contractor was familiar with and had had previous success with the cabinet we now have. In the face of the mountain of major appliance purchase duties we were assigned, we were happy to put this is in the lesser pile. Knowing that any countertop unit that would fit in the cabinet/shelf width/depth would do lifted a burden from my wife who did the bulk of the work in appliance selections.

It would appear that if we wanted to do so, we could switch to an under cabinet mounted unit by removing that cabinet. However, the trade off would appear to be less cubic footage in the microwave oven.

P.S. My wife read this over my shoulder and said she got exactly what she wanted. That right there is worth a lot as any married man knows.
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dosdoxies
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said by sempergoofy:

said by Ken:

What made you go with that shelf style microwave as opposed to the variety meant to mount to the wall?

P.S. My wife read this over my shoulder and said she got exactly what she wanted. That right there is worth a lot as any married man knows.

Happy wife, happy life.


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said by Ken:

What made you go with that shelf style microwave as opposed to the variety meant to mount to the wall?

I think it dresses it up and gives it a nice finished look.
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cypherstream
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Hey that came out really good! Btw we have one of those microwaves at work. A panasonic inverter or something... It's a good unit!

Everything is done real nicely. Good work and enjoy it!


bmantz65

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reply to sempergoofy
I have the same pantry and I love it!


sempergoofy
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Yeah, those roll out shelves are great! Also have them in the cabinet to the left of the stove where we keep pots/pans.

The two corners of the counter are lazy-susan type. The corner doors act as one with a hinge in the middle. Inside are two rotating shelves with a "V" cut out where the door is when closed.

And there is a spice drawer cabinet immediatly right of the stove.
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Drex
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I can't really tell from the pics, but do you have access to this storage in the corner?
I ask b/c when the jackasses "people" built my home, they left it as dead space. My dishwasher is to the right of this dead space, so don't really know if they could have done anything different other than putting access from the other side...which wouldn't have been that bad of a thing.
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Spork35

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said by Drex:

I can't really tell from the pics, but do you have access to this storage in the corner?
I ask b/c when the jackasses "people" built my home, they left it as dead space. My dishwasher is to the right of this dead space, so don't really know if they could have done anything different other than putting access from the other side...which wouldn't have been that bad of a thing.

My guess is that's a Lazy Susan cabinet there.
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towerdave

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O Fallon, IL

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reply to Drex
said by Drex:

I can't really tell from the pics, but do you have access to this storage in the corner?
I ask b/c when the jackasses "people" built my home, they left it as dead space. My dishwasher is to the right of this dead space, so don't really know if they could have done anything different other than putting access from the other side...which wouldn't have been that bad of a thing.

From the post directly above yours:

The two corners of the counter are lazy-susan type. The corner doors act as one with a hinge in the middle. Inside are two rotating shelves with a "V" cut out where the door is when closed.

TD


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said by towerdave:

From the post directly above yours:

DOH! Thanks. LOL!
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sempergoofy
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Corner cabinet door open
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Top shelf rotated for access
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Same from above to give aspect
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The spice drawer, because I was already shooting pics
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The other corner. Sheet/rack cabinet left of that corner lazy susan.
As indicated, the corners are lazy susan cabinets. The doors on the right-hand corner to the right of the sink are less wide than the corner near the stove. 7.25" per panel versus 10.25" per panel. So some of the big-ass stuff you see in the left-hand lazy susan would not fit through the opening to the right hand lazy susan. Rollout trash drawer cabinet is to the right of the r.h. lazy susan.

Edit: Removed an ambiguous reference.
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