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BF69
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reply to cdru

Re: Disney/Espn key driver on this.

said by cdru:

said by AZ_OGM:

And most rabid sports fans would be willing to shell out a few extra $ to keep their services....

The issue though is that the subscription fees that get sent back to ESPN now could not be maintained without a huge fee increase for those that would pay the premium.

For illustration, say there are 60m basic cable subscribers with ESPN usually in the basic tier. I've seen EPSN per-subscriber fee anywhere from $3.20 a few years ago to recently $4.69. Lets take an average and say $4/subscriber. That's $240 million/month or $2.88 BILLION per year.

Well under 20m tune in to ESPN on a weekly basis. So if you are going to start charging people for the ESPN tier, ESPN is going to have to charge 3x the price, or $12 per subscriber. $12 is likely to price the channel too high for the casual fan as the majority of those 20m fans are there only for Monday Night Football. Subscription rates would drop to 15m minimum and 10m I don't think would be unreasonable. So it's going to be closer to 4-5x the cost, or approaching $20/subscriber. At $20/month, you haven't killed the channel, but you've maimed it.

So? ESPN like every the channel should be able to survive based on it's own merits. Maybe they wouldn't have to charge so much if they'd stop paying BILLIONS for all those sports deals.

You just made the case that at least 40 million people are paying $5 a month or more for a channel they do not watch. $5 for ONE channel.


cdru
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said by BF69:

You just made the case that at least 40 million people are paying $5 a month or more for a channel they do not watch. $5 for ONE channel.

It's not actually one channel. For ESPN, it's usually their entire block of channels: ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPN U, etc.

And I agree with you, to a point. ESPN is an extreme example, but the same thing applies to most channels though. Everyone pays for channels that only a subset of subscribers watch or really want.

If everything went to a pure a la cart basis, you would only have a fraction of the channel selection that you have now as many channels wouldn't have the financial backing to stand 100% on their own. For those that do, you probably are going to pay more of that 1 channel then what that one channel really cost when it was part of a bundle. So you end up paying more for that channel for less.

In principal, a la cart sounds great, but realistically I don't think it's viable long term while still keeping the majority of channel options that we currently have.

elray

join:2000-12-16
Santa Monica, CA

said by cdru:

said by BF69:

You just made the case that at least 40 million people are paying $5 a month or more for a channel they do not watch. $5 for ONE channel.

It's not actually one channel. For ESPN, it's usually their entire block of channels: ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN News, ESPN U, etc.

And I agree with you, to a point. ESPN is an extreme example, but the same thing applies to most channels though. Everyone pays for channels that only a subset of subscribers watch or really want.

If everything went to a pure a la cart basis, you would only have a fraction of the channel selection that you have now as many channels wouldn't have the financial backing to stand 100% on their own. For those that do, you probably are going to pay more of that 1 channel then what that one channel really cost when it was part of a bundle. So you end up paying more for that channel for less.

In principal, a la cart sounds great, but realistically I don't think it's viable long term while still keeping the majority of channel options that we currently have.

Ala Carte doesn't mean paying a uniform rate/channel, paying less in total, or an end to bundling.

It simply means the subscriber gets to choose his channel set, rather than being forced into a tiered communal system wherein he has to subsidize everyone else's viewing habits. It means that "basic" content owners might have to work harder to retain eyeballs, while current premium tier content owners could find more viewers.

Why should we have to pay extra to get the Science, Military, History International, National Geographic, among others, instead of dumping equivalent channels we never watch (e.g. ESPN, Disney, Nick, Toon, CNBC)?

What's wrong with charging $12/month for ESPN? People pay more than that for HBO.

It is, indeed, quite viable.
It worked with Big Ugly Dishes for a decade.

If a few channels fail, so what?

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