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jober

join:2001-12-13

Who's using 80GHz

Does anyone have any experience with 80GHz ptp?
Who would you consider to be the best?
What are you using and how is it working in heavy rain?
How long are your links?
GigaBeam
E-Band
BridgeWave
Siklu (New to the game, only half duplex)

Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1

We don't have any in our network. But we have installed Bridgewave links. They include an aiming tool that seems to just get in the way. They say you're supposed to get the training before installing the units(we didn't:)). Their interface is very simple and straight forward, the manual is very small and clear. You have the option to check the signal level via a browser or voltmeter--do it with the voltmeter, it's much more dynamic and responsive than the browser. The links were installed in a middle of the road climate(no excessive rain/temperatures). The first link was installed over a year ago and the customer hasn't called for anything, so I'll assume it's working OK(no news is good news:)).


DRIVE71

join:2005-06-08

reply to jober
I was told by someone that 80ghz could do 7 miles. Can't remember the brand but they said it was a 1Gbps system but at 7 miles would still do 100 Megs. Seems too good to be true. Where I am it doesn't rain much but still. Is there any truth to that?


Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1

reply to jober
I can't remember the limit, but 7 miles sounds very optimistic.



AMD Phreak
OSHA Safety Nazi
Premium
join:2003-12-14

reply to DRIVE71

said by DRIVE71:

I was told by someone that 80ghz could do 7 miles. Can't remember the brand but they said it was a 1Gbps system but at 7 miles would still do 100 Megs. Seems too good to be true. Where I am it doesn't rain much but still. Is there any truth to that?

Doubt that....
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"Saying something in another language that you don't think the other person understands is just saying that you're a pussy and are too afraid to say it in English." --Harddrive

jober

join:2001-12-13

reply to DRIVE71
I don't think 80GHz will hold up in a heavy rain over a mile, not at 1000mbps.


rconaway8

join:2005-11-10
Phoenix, AZ

reply to jober
I've seen guys run it at 8 miles in desert cities but when the rain comes, say goodbye. In the midwest, I spec Bridgewave at 3 miles with the smaller antennas and 4 miles with the larger antennas as long as I have adaptive rate. If not, I reduce both of those by a mile.


jober

join:2001-12-13

reply to jober
Agreed, I think a lot of people post replies based on the manufactures marketing hype.
I don't understand some people. If you need 100mbps, 310mbps or 1000mbps to meet the networks demand than you can't have the link dropping to half the required speed every time it rains. It only make sense that when it's raining more people will use the internet.
I just think we should be building 5 nines networks so we don't have people thinking wireless doesn't work in the rain.


rconaway8

join:2005-11-10
Phoenix, AZ

reply to jober
Unfortunately it's always a balance. If you are going to drop rate 1% of the time but you get to save the cost of an additional relay link, it might make sense.


ctech99

join:2010-02-16

reply to jober
Are these numbers with LOS or no?



Inssomniak
Premium
join:2005-04-06
Cayuga, ON
kudos:1

Not that Ive ever used 80ghz, but Im certain it requires LOS.

80ghz=3.75mm full wavelength. heh.

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jober

join:2001-12-13

reply to ctech99
It has trouble going through glass so yes 80GHz is only LOS.


Chele

join:2003-07-23
kudos:1

reply to jober
LOS only and veeeeery narrow beam!



AMD Phreak
OSHA Safety Nazi
Premium
join:2003-12-14

reply to ctech99
It is like any other microwave system, other than Orthagon. It requires RF line of sight in order to operate properly.


mkaishar

join:2000-12-20
Walnut, CA

reply to jober
Using BridgeWave 60Ghz for 2 years now...very short distance (a little over 1/4 mile) connecting 2 buildings, solid, iperf tests show above 900Mbits in full duplex. Well worth the price the company paid.


jober

join:2001-12-13

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I have the E-Band radios, hoping to have them installed by the end of the week.


Semaphore
Premium
join:2003-11-18
Arnprior On.

Love the RedBull product placement

What's the cost ? What's the throughput ?


jober

join:2001-12-13

I can't say anything about the pricing.
The units are 1000Mbps Full Duplex.
I'll let you know the real world speed when I have them installed. The link is less than a half mile.



TomS_
Git-r-done
Premium,MVM
join:2002-07-19
Ireland
kudos:1

reply to ctech99

said by ctech99:

Are these numbers with LOS or no?

LOS only. IIRC 60GHz and above are affected even by oxygen molecules, so I doubt you'll get any form of NLOS out of these things...

jober

join:2001-12-13

REALLY! I can't understand why people keep saying that. 5.8GHz and even 2.4GHz blows at NLOS. Sure we've all been doing it for years but I haven't in years and will never install anything I can't get a clear shot to.
Ok, thats not totally true. All the indoor hotspot APs are NLOS.


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