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Re: Who's using 80GHz

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How much did that cost you?

The list price has not been released.
I'm sure by the end of next year we will see a lot more 60GHz PTP links on the market.

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who are you to be getting all these new GigE toys, lol

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Isn't that a E-Link Mini? I want a 100mb full duplex 60GHz for 3k per link. Perhaps even 3.5K.

If I could I would be buying them all day. I said I WANT a 60GHz FD link for 3-4K. It doesn't have to be the mini but it needs to beat my pricing for a FE60U.

Well, it's 60GHz which normally gives me about a half mile at 5 9s in this rain zone. A lot of times I just need to go across the street or a few blocks.

although it doesn't have the capacity of a singlemode fiber cable , it's certainly a lot cheaper than going through the permitting process to and paying to dig up two blocks of city street to run a cable.

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The thing in the photo is an Athena unit

»www.athenawave.com/

from my notes file:

sub10systems.com
appears to be selling same product as the athenawave A060-mini
also 320 Mbps version?
device is same as Huber+Suhner TTDSL60401
FCC ID is “ZAKLIB-V320”

athena wireless communications model A060-mini
www.athenawave.com
up to 800 meter short range bridge
square with chamfered corners small 60 GHz short range bridge
FCC ID is “”ZI9”
also makes 80GHz “fatum” bridge with 20dBm power, not FCC certified yet

both the sub10systems and athena wireless communications product are actually the re-branded Huber+suhner model SL60-401 (FCC ID TTDSL60401), 60GHz 800 meter range bridge
»apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/V···60401%27

Huber+Suhner make all kinds of antennas for a lot of company's. The unit you link to is only 320mbps full duplex. Where are you seeing their 1000mbps full duplex unit.

I know that's where the antenna, case and mount come from but I do not think any other parts do. If it does then where is the info on it.

»www.athenawave.com/Solutions/A060-Mini.asp

Claims to be gig FD. Not that I know anything about them or have ever heard of them till now.

I'll try and give you a call early next week. I really need a "low cost" 100mb FD short range solution in 60GHz.
I like 60GHz because I can reuse the frequency five to ten times on the same building given a little space to work with.

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Upon further inspection of the athenawave/sub10systems product in the photos above, the 800 meter quoted range is absolute maximum. With three nines of reliability in an ITU class D rain environment the range is something like 550 metres. So this is suitable for bridging between buildings in a campus, or in a very dense downtown environment where there's no fiber (maybe to a smaller office building that still has only POTS wiring into its demarc), but for beyond 600 metres it's necessary to look at proper Bridgewave, E-Band, Lightpointe products.

I'm using the Athena at 600 meters and it holds up in the rain just fine here in the big easy. Athena's links will do 1,000 meters max.
As far as bridge wave or any other radios in the 60GHz or 80Ghz spectrum will fail in heavy rain or slow to a speed I don't want. If I am buying a gigbit link that's what I need, not 100mbps.

60GHz should not be used over 600 meters if your in a bad rain zone. 80GHz can push 1000 meters in the same rain zone.
I'm only speaking from what I have seen from the units I am using at 600 meters.

I will report back later when I install longer links. I have a 900 meter link to do so I will use E-Band for it.

You can down play the product if you like but I am very happy with both Athena and E-Band. I will be installing more of the Athena link because the price point is better than the E-Band. BirdgeWave just hasn't priced their units to fit my ROI.

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I'm not trying to play down the 60 / 80 GHz products, they're great links, in fact I've set up an E-Band bridge at 6.5 km that works great and I'm very happy with it. As I said in my post the smaller Athena product seems ideal for sub 800 meter bridging such as across a large parking lot or between the parapets of buildings in a metro core.

The most important thing for those considering the 60 to 85GHz frequencies is a good understanding of the ITU rain zone you're in:

»www.e-band.com/index.php?id=86

»www.racom.eu/images/radost/image···ne_h.png

and secondly, full knowledge that if you can live with 99.9% availability or 99.92% availability it will mean that you can run a link a lot longer distance than with three nines or four nines. the chart on the second page of this PDF does a good job explaining it:

»www.e-band.com/get.php?f.1117

working from the e-band link budgets and ITU rain probability data, it informs me that in ITU rain zone D (Vancouver), a 99.99% link for that 1000LR radio pair with 2' antennas will be limited to about 6.5 km, but the same link can be run 14.5 to 15 km with 99.9% availability.

99.99% sounds like a lot but that's still 52+ minutes of downtime per year.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_availability

It is a lot of down time when I look at the services my customers are using over these links. If I was only serving up residential internet I wouldn't be to worried about it,. But my customers are running VoIP and CMS over the links and if they go down they are out of business until it comes up.
That said I do install backup links but they don't have the ass to handle the work loads.

BTW, I'm in the N zone.

For long links the 11 and 18 GHz bands are great. But the bandwidth is a bit low. They can be stacked but that's getting a bit nuts on the bank account.

It's funny that most ISP's build their networks for today's demand and they never thing about a year or two down the road. But then there's always the money holding most of us back.

I'm just wondering what will stem from the new 60GHz WiFi that's coming down the pipe.