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Doctor Olds
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reply to JALevinworth

Re: [Scam] Card Services relentless phone calls revisited

said by JALevinworth :

I realize historically these lawsuits unfortunately rarely slow down these types of scammers, but just the fact that they are even being bothered with it one tasty piece of schadenfreude.

Had to look that one up and all I can say is "wow, I must be living in a vacuum", so thanks for my breath of air today! Never had heard of a "loanword" before.

Hopefully all of the principles involved will all receive a "Roman holiday".
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DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
reply to JALevinworth

Re: [Scam] Card Services relentless phone calls revisited

In reference to the link mentioned about Indiana Attorney’s press release of the lawsuit-

www.in.gov/activecalendar/EventL···d=107077

Does anyone who perhaps owns a business know anything about the violations of not having a “surety bond”? Maybe more States AG’s could sue the robo-dialers on that basis.


Jeff P

@sbec.com
reply to JALevinworth
Hello Billy Goates. It seems I am just a few steps behind you.

I have been maintaining a log of the calls from these shysters. So far I have received 130 calls from over 40 phone numbers. I have reported them to the FCC three times already and once with the FBI. I keep trying to get something from them so I can file with the appropriate state attorney general. However I think they're onto me now. Whenever I ask the first question, they hang up on me. Since they know I'm gunning for them, I am completely confounded that they don't simply take my phone number out of their stupid robo dialer. If any one can trick some verifiable information from these bastards, Please send it to me at scamhunter@flash.net. I am intent on shutting these people down!


JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net
reply to Doctor Olds
said by Doctor Olds:

said by JALevinworth :

I realize historically these lawsuits unfortunately rarely slow down these types of scammers, but just the fact that they are even being bothered with it is one tasty piece of schadenfreude.

Had to look that one up and all I can say is "wow, I must be living in a vacuum", so thanks for my breath of air to today! Never had heard of a "loanword" before.

Hopefully all of the principles involved will all receive a "Roman holiday".

... and I just had to look up "loanword".

/TrueStory

Back at ya, Doc

-Jim


JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net
reply to Jeff P
said by Jeff P :

Hello Billy Goates. It seems I am just a few steps behind you.
[snip]
I keep trying to get something from them so I can file with the appropriate state attorney general. However I think they're onto me now. Whenever I ask the first question, they hang up on me. Since they know I'm gunning for them, [snip]

If any one can trick some verifiable information from these bastards, Please send it to me at scamhunter@flash.net. I am intent on shutting these people down!

I don't think you meant to reply to me, but my name is Jim. Curious who Billy Goates is though.

As for the rest of your post, hey good luck. The link posted previously to the ID attorney's press release on that state's suit has his name and office number. He most likely has the information you seek. Maybe you can contact your state attorney and ask them to contact him and also to join in the Indiana state's suit? More states the better!

-Jim


carpetshark3
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reply to JALevinworth
Calls have stopped for me also. What is puzzling - we are a cell only family. I'm the main account holder. I get the calls. If these idiots are using a robodialer, then why aren't the other numbers receiving calls?

I asked the rest of the family, and they don't seem to be bothered by spam calls.

I can't use SIT tones, so I just deleted voicemail. I didn't use it anyway. Too lazy, and there's always the missed call log.


JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net
said by carpetshark3:

Calls have stopped for me also. What is puzzling - we are a cell only family. I'm the main account holder. I get the calls. If these idiots are using a robodialer, then why aren't the other numbers receiving calls?

I asked the rest of the family, and they don't seem to be bothered by spam calls.

I think it's assumed they are using "predictive dial", rather than just robo - but assumed is the operative word, although logical and anecdotal evidence suggest that thus far.

It would seem that since you are the main account holder, your name is associated somewhere that others on your account isn't. Who knows where they get their lists from, but the more people describe their experience, the more information out there to take into evidence.

What's good is that you aren't getting bothered anymore - at least for now.

-Jim


JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net
said by JALevinworth :

Who knows where they get their lists from

I'll add that I wouldn't be surprised at all if the Card Services people didn't get their lists from the "Your Auto Warranty is About to Expire!" robo scam The FTC went after that you may remember.

*Went after as in a "24 million judgment against the defendants, which is suspended because of their inability to pay." - Don't get me started, but that group is banned from making auto warranty robo calls.

Of course exchanging call lists shouldn't be legal anyway (since they are legally banned from selling their phone lists, but these types aren't exactly ones who are bothered by little things like rules and laws nor gray areas liking giving away things either. /UselessSpeculation

At least it sparked new rules and regulations on robo calls (full text here):
»www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consume···162.shtm
Note: you have to opt-in via permission for telemarketers to call you now, and being on the do-not-call list isn't required for these rules to apply to you nor for you to file complaint at »www.donotcall.gov if a telemarketer is breaking these rules.
Also:
quote:
How do I report improper robocalls?

If you receive prerecorded telemarketing calls but have not agreed to get them, file a complaint with the FTC at »www.donotcall.gov or by phone at 1-888-382-1222.

The FTC works to prevent fraudulent, deceptive and unfair business practices in the marketplace and to provide information to help consumers spot, stop and avoid them. To file a complaint or get free information on consumer issues, visit »www.ftc.gov or call toll-free, 1-877-FTC-HELP (1-877-382-4357); TTY: 1-866-653-4261. Watch a video, How to File a Complaint, at »www.ftc.gov/video to learn more. The FTC enters consumer complaints into the Consumer Sentinel Network, a secure online database and investigative tool used by hundreds of civil and criminal law enforcement agencies in the U.S. and abroad.
The FTC press release on the Auto Warranty people states that 30,000 people on the do-not-call list made do-not-call list complaints about the Auto Warranty alone at »www.donotcall.gov. Flooding that agency's site too with complaints couldn't hurt, besides filing an FTC complaint too: »www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
So, how come the same “players” keep showing up time and again?
Looks like Roy M. Cox Jr. who did the auto warranty scam, is back at it again with "GenuTec".

»investing.businessweek.com/resea···23957705

The Defendants and their officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons or entities in active concert or participation with any of them are permanently restrained from violating TSR.

»www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923193/index.shtm

“IV. Prohibitions Against Deceptive or Abusive Telemarketing Acts or Practices
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that, in connection with telemarketing, Defendants and their officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons or entities in active concert or participation with any of them who receive actual notice of this Order by personal service, facsimile transmission, email, or otherwise, whether acting directly or through any corporation, subsidiary, division, or other device are hereby permanently restrained and enjoined from violating, causing others to violate, or assisting others who violate, any provision of the TSR, including, but not limited to:”


Billy Goates

@frontiernet.net
reply to JALevinworth
I'm just someone that has gotten fed up with the over 200 calls from these con artists (also tired of Microsoft overpriced licensing, hence the name Billy Goates).


Billy Goates

@frontiernet.net
reply to DeletedMedia
This one can be verified. Roy M. Cox Jr. has had a huge number of companies and continues to this day.
This just goes to show that civil penalties are a joke, we need criminal felony convictions

»latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_c···ies.html

»www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923193/index.shtm

»www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/12/roycox.shtm


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
reply to Billy Goates
Billy Goates,
Please understand, I had re-posted comments made by someone unknown, who is obviously unhappy on complaintwire.
The re-posting was my bad reaction to again being robo-dialed in general, and not a personal vendetta against any innocent companys, if it's true. However, the thing that concerns me, is that a CEO of a company that does Business Marketing says has never even heard of "Rachel, at cardholder services". Come on!


Billy Goates

@frontiernet.net
I know, but we must be careful that we don't end up with a liable suit. If he is not what he says he is, we will get him sooner or later.
By the way Chris, I may friend you on Facebook if I can get over your politics (I'm and Independant).


Billy Goates

@frontiernet.net
reply to DeletedMedia
By the way, I just got another call from "Rachael" as I was typing up my response. They won't even answer now when I press 1.


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
reply to Billy Goates
Thanks for the advice!, and OK with FB.

billydunwood

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reply to Ender3rd
I get a call about 2x a week, sometimes more. When I play along, and finally start to give the 1800 number on the "back of the card", I say 1800 STOP CALLING ME. Now, the guy is saying, " oh how clever. Gay F*****. Your a Co**Sucker. Come suck my C****". I hope the phone calls are recorded. I think I might get the same guy every time. He sounds like a girl though.
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JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net
reply to Billy Goates
said by Billy Goates :

I'm just someone that has gotten fed up with the over 200 calls from these con artists (also tired of Microsoft overpriced licensing, hence the name Billy Goates).

Ah ok, Thanks Billy. I missed a page in this thread and your earlier post.


JALevinworth

@embarqhsd.net
reply to DeletedMedia
said by DeletedMedia:

So, how come the same “players” keep showing up time and again?
Looks like Roy M. Cox Jr. who did the auto warranty scam, is back at it again with "GenuTec".

Sadly, the FTC is ineffective when dealing with criminals and the criminals know that. They can only levy fines and orders, not put them in jail.

There are years of so many well document examples all over this forum of scams and scammers that none of these actions stop. It's as MGD See Profile said earlier, whack-a-mole:
said by MGD :

Civil action by the FTC against such criminals is totally ineffective. All of those involved know that they are violating FTC regulations. The FTC prohibits unsolicited calls for any kind of debt / interest rate reductions which require up front fees, period, and that is what these robo calls are about. The FTC civil actions have been nothing more than whack-a-mole interference. Which is why numerous individuals are the subject of repeated actions, despite signing prior agreements that prohibit future involvement. The FTC levies huge fines, then rescinds them based on inability to pay. The FTC settles for the minimal cash on hand, and enjoins them from future "telemarketing". The criminals sign off, then go right back to business. The entire operations are clearly criminal, intent to defraud, etc, and should be dealt with in criminal court and not by civil actions.

As evidence of this:
said by »www.ftc.gov/opa/2009/05/robocalls.shtm :
Some of the defendants used offshore shell corporations to try to avoid scrutiny, and a top officer in the telemarketing company bragged to prospective clients that he could operate outside the law without any chance of being caught by the FTC, the papers stated. This defendant also claimed that he makes 1.8 million dials per day and that he had done more than $40 million worth of dialing for extended warranty companies, including one billion dials on behalf of his largest client, according to the court papers filed by the FTC.
MGD See Profile in his earlier post, said he's going to do a write up of this whole mess. He's a busy guy, but one of the best scam busters around so I look forward to what he finds out.

-Jim


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
OK, I finally got around to posting this; it’s the Law!
Just the facts-
#1: The Written TCPA Policies that these clown robo-dialers and “cardholder services” are supposed to Have AND Provide to ANYONE whom requests.
This bunch had their “Policies” up on a pdf, but now its mysteriously disappeared. Go figure!

»www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/0923174/···cmpt.pdf

And now “B2B Telemarketing” shows up here- Hmmm. . .

»www.voicebroadcasting.com/b2b_te···ing.html

#2: Has anyone actually been robo-ed by any such “Trained Personnel”, or just threatened, abused, harassed, or hung up on?

FCC CFR Title 47 Chapter 5, § 227
PART 64, Subpart L-
Restrictions on Telemarketing, Telephone Solicitation, and Facsimile Advertising

(1) Written policy. Persons or entities making calls for telemarketing purposes must
have a written policy, available upon demand, for maintaining a do-not-call list.
(2) Training of personnel engaged in telemarketing. Personnel engaged in any aspect of
telemarketing must be informed and trained in the existence and use of the do-not-call
list.

garys_2k
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Farmington, MI
Yeah, but since they don't give a sh*t about the law none of that applies to them.


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
I hear what your saying, but the more we Consumers know, the better. Also, for those that fell for the scam, and for when the scammers threaten to attack us Consumers. They’ll deny doing anything unlawful, and spout crap about “helping” sooooo many people.
Its always the same shill “telemarketer” routine. Legitimate business knows since Do Not Call the telephone is a dead duck for cold calling. Virtually everyone is on the list.

And, we’ve all heard the scammer argument before, that consumers are giving consent to receiving telemarketing calls by agreeing to stuff online, using their credit cards, and such nonsense.
They haven’t said whether or not that includes using your grocery discount card, or a new phone number.

Well, It’s not a “contract”, when one party benefits more, and “cardholder services” certainly always benefits more!


Billy Goates

@frontiernet.net
One of my cell phones is a company phone for emergency use only so it has never been given out for anything that could be considered consent. It has been called more than 75 times.
I ran across some information by someone that has obviously been doing some research.
"The latest reports indicate that this is a scam currently being conducted by these 2 companies:

America's Reading Choice , 4501 Circle 75 Pkwy SE, Atlanta, GA 30339, (770) 293-0150 Teresa Boughton (404) 552-3111 or her partner Mingai 404-437-0333 .
Also operating as WorldWide Concepts Inc, 4501 Circle 75 Pkwy SE, Atlanta, GA 30339 (Spoofing Phone # 971-220-1032 and 360-529-6177)

GW Timeshare Services, 701 N Hermitage Road, Suite 26 Hermitage, PA Steve Nagy 724-979-4345
Also operating as Groupwise Inc, 151 N Hermitage Rd, Hermitage, PA 724-979-4345 (Spoofing Phone # 832-377-3059)"

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505-455-6121


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Billy Goates

@izoom.net
reply to Billy Goates
Today I started getting "You won a free cruise" calls. I've given up posting on the complaint boards, since no one really reads them and my stuff just getting re-posted with unverified information. My new tactic is to start bugging our politicians to pass laws that will do some good and going after the phone companies to block spoofed numbers (if that is possible).


DrStrange
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We have the laws. Read the Telephone Consumer Protection Act.
»transition.fcc.gov/cgb/policy/TCPA-Rules.pdf

We just need to ensure that existing law is strictly enforced.


Billy Goates

@izoom.net
reply to Billy Goates
This will be my last post. Apparently someone does read my posts since they followed it back here and cut and pasted the information before I could verify it and added it to one of my old posts and blasted it all over the Internet.
What I have found out is that a phone number was being used by a Costa Rica call center to sell Time Shares for a company called TS Solutions. Someone along the line named "Buster" somehow associated GW Timeshare with TS Solutions (don't know how). Someone else came along and verified that they had talked to that company.
Now the Costa Rica call center is using that number in a Card Services robocall and someone (possibly Buster) is pasting my posts everywhere blaming GW Timeshare. I don't know if they were involved with TS Solutions and I don't care. My beef is with Rachel, Heather, Ann and whatever name they use this week.


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
reply to Billy Goates
I’ve been copying all the Consumer complaints that describe Abuse to the Elderly, Terrorist type threats, and Harassment, etc. Its corporate abuse. We did a algorithms test, and got this never heard before robo. Its not pertinent to the region. It was intended to be a special message, but also terrified other innocent Americans.
Transcript:
“Hello, The FBI reports there was a home break-in every 15 seconds. Your local police recommends you protect your homes. If you will allow us to place a small sign in your yard, we will install a new security system at absolutely no cost to you whatsoever!
There is no cost for the system or the installation, whatsoever! To hear more, press one now”


Wyo_Scot

@qwest.net
reply to Ender3rd
I keep getting this Card Holder Service crap and have tried to reason with the other person - thinking maybe they are idoits and don't really know they are scamming and are just working for $10 an hour or whatever. I try to tell them to go to local police and report and mention that there is a $10,000 reward for information leading to an arrest of there boss. I think they know I know about there scam now though and even though I push 1 to try and lead them on they just hang up on me now. IF ANYONE EVER FINDS ONE OF THEIR CALL CENTERS IN COLORADO OR WYOMING LET ME KNOW and I Will do something about it MYSELF!