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garys_2k
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join:2004-05-07
Farmington, MI
reply to DeletedMedia

Re: [Scam] Card Services relentless phone calls revisited

Yeah, but since they don't give a sh*t about the law none of that applies to them.


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
I hear what your saying, but the more we Consumers know, the better. Also, for those that fell for the scam, and for when the scammers threaten to attack us Consumers. They’ll deny doing anything unlawful, and spout crap about “helping” sooooo many people.
Its always the same shill “telemarketer” routine. Legitimate business knows since Do Not Call the telephone is a dead duck for cold calling. Virtually everyone is on the list.

And, we’ve all heard the scammer argument before, that consumers are giving consent to receiving telemarketing calls by agreeing to stuff online, using their credit cards, and such nonsense.
They haven’t said whether or not that includes using your grocery discount card, or a new phone number.

Well, It’s not a “contract”, when one party benefits more, and “cardholder services” certainly always benefits more!


Billy Goates

@frontiernet.net
One of my cell phones is a company phone for emergency use only so it has never been given out for anything that could be considered consent. It has been called more than 75 times.
I ran across some information by someone that has obviously been doing some research.
"The latest reports indicate that this is a scam currently being conducted by these 2 companies:

America's Reading Choice , 4501 Circle 75 Pkwy SE, Atlanta, GA 30339, (770) 293-0150 Teresa Boughton (404) 552-3111 or her partner Mingai 404-437-0333 .
Also operating as WorldWide Concepts Inc, 4501 Circle 75 Pkwy SE, Atlanta, GA 30339 (Spoofing Phone # 971-220-1032 and 360-529-6177)

GW Timeshare Services, 701 N Hermitage Road, Suite 26 Hermitage, PA Steve Nagy 724-979-4345
Also operating as Groupwise Inc, 151 N Hermitage Rd, Hermitage, PA 724-979-4345 (Spoofing Phone # 832-377-3059)"

Whip

join:2009-01-23
Califon, NJ
reply to Ender3rd
505-455-6121


AVD
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Onion, NJ
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867-5309


Billy Goates

@izoom.net
reply to Billy Goates
Today I started getting "You won a free cruise" calls. I've given up posting on the complaint boards, since no one really reads them and my stuff just getting re-posted with unverified information. My new tactic is to start bugging our politicians to pass laws that will do some good and going after the phone companies to block spoofed numbers (if that is possible).


DrStrange
Technically feasible
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join:2001-07-23
West Hartford, CT
kudos:1
We have the laws. Read the Telephone Consumer Protection Act.
»transition.fcc.gov/cgb/policy/TCPA-Rules.pdf

We just need to ensure that existing law is strictly enforced.


Billy Goates

@izoom.net
reply to Billy Goates
This will be my last post. Apparently someone does read my posts since they followed it back here and cut and pasted the information before I could verify it and added it to one of my old posts and blasted it all over the Internet.
What I have found out is that a phone number was being used by a Costa Rica call center to sell Time Shares for a company called TS Solutions. Someone along the line named "Buster" somehow associated GW Timeshare with TS Solutions (don't know how). Someone else came along and verified that they had talked to that company.
Now the Costa Rica call center is using that number in a Card Services robocall and someone (possibly Buster) is pasting my posts everywhere blaming GW Timeshare. I don't know if they were involved with TS Solutions and I don't care. My beef is with Rachel, Heather, Ann and whatever name they use this week.


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
reply to Billy Goates
I’ve been copying all the Consumer complaints that describe Abuse to the Elderly, Terrorist type threats, and Harassment, etc. Its corporate abuse. We did a algorithms test, and got this never heard before robo. Its not pertinent to the region. It was intended to be a special message, but also terrified other innocent Americans.
Transcript:
“Hello, The FBI reports there was a home break-in every 15 seconds. Your local police recommends you protect your homes. If you will allow us to place a small sign in your yard, we will install a new security system at absolutely no cost to you whatsoever!
There is no cost for the system or the installation, whatsoever! To hear more, press one now”


Wyo_Scot

@qwest.net
reply to Ender3rd
I keep getting this Card Holder Service crap and have tried to reason with the other person - thinking maybe they are idoits and don't really know they are scamming and are just working for $10 an hour or whatever. I try to tell them to go to local police and report and mention that there is a $10,000 reward for information leading to an arrest of there boss. I think they know I know about there scam now though and even though I push 1 to try and lead them on they just hang up on me now. IF ANYONE EVER FINDS ONE OF THEIR CALL CENTERS IN COLORADO OR WYOMING LET ME KNOW and I Will do something about it MYSELF!


nwrickert
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Geneva, IL
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said by Wyo_Scot :

... and have tried to reason with the other person

A complete waste of time.
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Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
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reply to Ender3rd
for all those getting these calls, dont even bother posting the number or the name that came with it, its all spoofed. I run a call center, and its probably close to the same software they are using. All I have to do is change the "outdial" number to show whatever name and number I want. legally, they should be correct, but if I put in a number thats already in use by someone else(tried calling myself, from myself), it shows up with the correct CID info for that number they are using. They are calling from VoIP lines(most likely google voice lines), so they can be originating anywhere. Best practice is to just waste their time as much as you can(fake CC numbers work well), and once they figured out you were wasting their time, they will never call back.

PS, they more than likely pull their numbers to call from the national DNC registry, and voters lists(which can be obtained by nearly anyone without question as to what they are going to be used for).


DrStrange
Technically feasible
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West Hartford, CT
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Don't use that equipment to call anyone in CT.

You might get a call from the AG. It's illegal to spoof caller ID calling CT numbers.


AVD
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reply to Chubbysumo
said by Chubbysumo:

They are calling from VoIP lines(most likely google voice lines), so they can be originating anywhere.

I call BS on this.

As for DNC and Voter registration, I also call BS. The reason the whole system is automated is because the call sequentially over every known exchange.
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DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23

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reply to Wyo_Scot
There’s a ton of info about scumbag Pacific Telecom robo-dialer operating in Oregon, Montana, North Dakota, and Washington here-

»telemarketerspam.wordpress.com/

Also from complaintwire-

On July 10th, 2012, the staff of the Oregon Public Utilities Commission recommended that Pacific Telecom Communications Group’s certificate of authority to provide telecommunications service in Oregon be revoked.
Pacific Telecom violated rule OAR 860-032-0060, which requires telecom utilities to submit annual reports to the Public Utilities Commission. Pacific Telecom failed to submit an annual report for the year 2011.
If this decision is finalized, it will prevent Pacific Telecom’s 22,000 Oregon telephone numbers from being used for illegal telemarketing purposes. Pacific Telecom has 60 days to file for a reconsideration of this decision.
Formal complaints against Pacific Telecom can be filed with the Oregon Public Utilities Commission by visiting:
»apps.puc.state.or.us/consumer/complaint.asp

»complaintwire.org/complaint/iagB···rvices/6


AVD
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tilting at windmills


DrStrange
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West Hartford, CT
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reply to DeletedMedia
Thanks for the info.

Maybe a little pressure from other states whose residents have been phone-bombed by Pacific Telecom's operation will grease the wheels of justice here. Complain to the relevant state AG and copy to your home state's AG.


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
And also contact the FBI about the robo-dialers and cardholder services continuous violations of the RICO Act-
Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act U.S.C. Title 18, Chapter 96 § 1962:

Sections 891-894 (relating to extortionate credit transactions), section 1028 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents), section 1029 (relating to fraud and related activity in connection with access devices),”
Section 1 of Pub. L. 91-452 provided in part that: "The Congress finds that (1) organized crime in the United States is a highly sophisticated, diversified, and widespread activity that annually drains billions of dollars from America's economy by unlawful conduct and the illegal use of force, fraud, and corruption;

»uscode.house.gov/download/title_18.shtml

»uscode.house.gov/download/pls/18C96.txt

Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
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reply to DrStrange
We don't spoof numbers, we legally purchase and update all the return numbers we use, or our clients provide us with a return number that they have to prove the purchased the use of. I'm just saying, we have tested it by putting in a random number for the outgoing, then had the system calling our personal phones, and we found that whatever the CID info was last registered with that number is what shows up. They( the scammers) probably don't even own or lease the phone numbers they are using, thus, they just put something in, and out dial on VoIP lines. The scammers are likely off shore, using mules to get numbers and then dialing them.

Chubbysumo

join:2009-12-01
Superior, WI
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reply to AVD
I can't find it right now, but there was a city in Wisconsin that started a municipal email news letter and was forced to give out all the email addresses that were receiving it from a public records request. Anyone can request voters lists, since it's considered public records. I am betting that they are getting a majority of their phone numbers from things like that because you can get voters lists from most states online without any hassle or fee, at nearly any time of day. Just ask any political candidate, or a campaign manager(Been there, done with that). I can walk to any courthouse, and request public voters lists, and they don't even question it, they just want to know which counties, and most of them can now be emailed in a format that these dialers can read from with no changes. don't call BS before you know.


DrStrange
Technically feasible
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West Hartford, CT
kudos:1
reply to Chubbysumo
As long as the client owns the return number, that's fine. I agree with you that the scammers are probably using this system to break the law, though. They may or may not be offshore, but offshore would be cheaper and equally technically feasible so it's a strong probability.


AVD
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reply to Chubbysumo
said by Chubbysumo:

I can't find it right now, but there was a city in Wisconsin that started a municipal email news letter and was forced to give out all the email addresses that were receiving it from a public records request. Anyone can request voters lists, since it's considered public records. I am betting that they are getting a majority of their phone numbers from things like that because you can get voters lists from most states online without any hassle or fee, at nearly any time of day. Just ask any political candidate, or a campaign manager(Been there, done with that). I can walk to any courthouse, and request public voters lists, and they don't even question it, they just want to know which counties, and most of them can now be emailed in a format that these dialers can read from with no changes. don't call BS before you know.

the whole idea is that they get a known area code and exchange and go 0001-9999

for example NYC's general info number starts with (212)-692 so the auto dialer goes 212-692-0001 then

212-692-0002
212-692-0003
...
...
...
212-692-9997
212-692-9998
212-692-9999

It doesn't matter if only one number works, this is why they employ an auto dialer. The robot keeps dialing and dialing and dialing.
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Whip

join:2009-01-23
Califon, NJ
reply to Ender3rd
971-239-1624


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
reply to DrStrange
Arkansas sues Illegal robo-callers Associated Accounting Specialists Inc

»www.arkansasonline.com/news/2012···g-firms/

According to McDaniel’s office, the subjects of the lawsuits are: Associated Accounting Specialists Inc., of Port St. Lucie, Fla., and its owner, William Page; Business First Solutions Inc., of Orlando, Fla., and its owners, Jonathon Warren and Edward Warren; Financial Ladder Inc. of Saint Cloud, Fla., and its owners, Brenda Helfenstine and Antonia Helfenstine; Financial Management Partners Inc. of Maitland, Fla., and its owners, Betsy Valorose and Eric Pugh; and Kenneth Sallies of Winter Springs, Fla., former owner of the now-defunct Customer Global Services LLC.”

Missouri sues Roy/Randy Cox- Castle Rock Capital Management out of CA

»www.legalnewsline.com/news/23697···er-calls

Umitencho

join:2012-08-11
Jacksonville, FL
I hope this lawsuit actually goes somewhere.


AVD
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Onion, NJ
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said by Umitencho:

I hope this lawsuit actually goes somewhere.

I hope I win the lottery so I can hire someone to screen my phone calls.
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DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
reply to Umitencho
Notice how the illegal robo-dialers and “cardholder services” siphon the money they’ve stolen- off to their foreign business transfer entities to Argentina and Hungary.
I’ve also seen Poland, and the Netherlands, just to name a few.

“Koster filed the lawsuit against Marketing Strategy Group of Hungary, Transfers Argentina SA of Argentina, Capital Solutions Group SA, Castle Rock Management SA, Castle Rock Capital Management and Randy Cox, Jr., a Calif. resident who is the owner of the five corporations.”

»www.legalnewsline.com/news/23697···er-calls

“Roy M Cox Jr.” has already been sued by the FTC.

»www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/12/roycox.shtm

So, who's this Randy Cox? One source indicates that “Roy Michael Cox” may be using “Randy Cox” as a possible alias name.

»www.veromi.com/Search.aspx?sType···by=&Age=

Umitencho

join:2012-08-11
Jacksonville, FL
I bet neither of those are their actual names unless they are that stupid. Then again this scam has been running this long.


starwatcher

@alltel.net
reply to Ender3rd
Watch how you play with them, They can be quite vindictive. One way they can get you back after you annoy them big time is they will place your number as a number for others to call to be placed on the "do not call list". The result, you will have to deal with real people calling you for days. Just wanted to let you all know.


DeletedMedia

join:2012-06-23
Record, and put em on youtube. They really hate that! We’ve got “thumbs down”, and warnings of suspension when posting the Truth about the slimebags, but the robo-calls, and typical idiot telemarketer calls have fallen off quite a bit.

Recent reports show quite an increase in the outsourced foreign, terrorist talking “service reps” again. When the heat is on the domestic call center scammers, they all run like rats, using foreign call centers. Then back to the domestic call centers, when the complaints about terrorist threats made by the jerks that cant properly speak English begin to mount up again.