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Arne Bolen
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Re: FCC makes major changes to USF and to VoIP carrier payments

said by tom thomas:

what about outbound only VOIP service? what would be the correct CID?

This will be a problem for VoIP.ms and other providers. Currently it's possible to have a Voip.ms account without any DID.

You can also have a Callcentric account without a DID. On outbound calls the 1777XXXXXXX account number is used as CID, but that number is not a real phone number. Will FCC accept non-real numbers as CID?

This FCC ruling may force providers to require customers purchasing at least one DID.

Also, when a customer have several DIDs, which CID should be used?

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I don't see outbound-only service as a problem. There are many such services that work off a website. I doubt they will all shut down.
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Principal of rule, if the rule does not specify for it, there is no rule for it.
PX Eliezer704
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said by Arne Bolen:

This will be a problem for VoIP.ms and other providers. Currently it's possible to have a Voip.ms account without any DID.

You can also have a Callcentric account without a DID. On outbound calls the 1777XXXXXXX account number is used as CID....

It turns out that if you have a CallCentric outbound service without a DID, the CID displayed is 1-626-771-0198, a trunk number.

AFAIK, if you do the same with Voip.MS, something similar occurs, such as showing a 720 Denver-type trunk number.

Arne, what occurs with Anveo in such cases?

Arne Bolen
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said by PX Eliezer704:

It turns out that if you have a CallCentric outbound service without a DID, the CID displayed is 1-626-771-0198, a trunk number.

AFAIK, if you do the same with Voip.MS, something similar occurs, such as showing a 720 Denver-type trunk number.

But those numbers are the same for all customers. Unless I have misunderstood the new FCC rulings, that should not be allowed.
said by PX Eliezer704:

Arne, what occurs with Anveo in such cases?

Honestly, I have no idea. I always show my CID for all outbound calls.
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We may come full circle....

The providers may have to transmit a CID, an ANI, and/or a BTN (Billing Telephone Number).

Arne Bolen
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said by PX Eliezer704:

We may come full circle....

The providers may have to transmit a CID, an ANI, and/or a BTN (Billing Telephone Number).

Simple solution. All customers must have at least one "normal" Phone Number. I wonder if an iNum number would count as a normal Phone Number.
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said by PX Eliezer704:

Arne, what occurs with Anveo in such cases?

Users can configure a custom CallerID number by following a simple CallerID verification procedure where Anveo makes an automated phone call to the CallerID number (to be verified) and prompts to enter a pin code shown to the user in the web browser.
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Ah, thanks for the prompt feedback.

Was curious what shows as default CID if the customer does not select one.

Thanks.
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said by PX Eliezer704:

Ah, thanks for the prompt feedback.

Was curious what shows as default CID if the customer does not select one.

Thanks.

If a user does not have a CallerID verified and selected then we use CallerID value from SIP device.

Arne Bolen
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said by PX Eliezer704:

Was curious what shows as default CID if the customer does not select one.

I just tested by calling my Google Voice number from my Gigaset S685IP.

Google Voice says:
Unknown Caller

EDIT: I used *67 in Anveo which is CallerID blocking. As I have DIDs with Anveo I can't test what will happen if a customer has no DID, no CallerID verified and there is no CallerID value from the SIP device.