 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Absolutely There's 2 scenarios under which an ISP can make a lot of money with a cap:
1. Caps and overages give ISPs a huge disincentive against upgrading their networks. Why spend the millions of dollars on upgrades to allow for higher speeds when you can pocket the money spent on overages instead?
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2. Upgrade the networks but leave the caps the same, or lower them. More customers will hit the cap faster.
Either scenario is a big winner for the ISPs.
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 camaro92Question everythingPremium
join:2008-04-05
Westfield, MA
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| I am taking a shot in the air here but you are either a shill for the industry,or are rich as hell.You say some of the most outrageous anti consumer comments I have ever read here.ISP are making all the money they need and then some without needing more revenue streams.What happened over the years did isp's forget to upgrade any of there network and just put a giant band aids on there network to get by because all the years I have lived in my city which has been for 30 years the only upgrade I have ever seen was the docsis 3.0 upgrade.Oh and one more upgrade I read about this year,our city council forced Comcast to run coax out to a new nursing home that was a 1/4 mile to far and Comcast said no. |
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said by pnh102:2. Upgrade the networks but leave the caps the same, or lower them. More customers will hit the cap faster. My usage tends to stay the same or go down over time. There are only so many TV shows and movies to watch, and after I'm done with them, what is there left to download? |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to camaro92
said by camaro92:I am taking a shot in the air here but you are either a shill for the industry,or are rich as hell. blah blah blah With all due respect, STFU and re-read my post. Did I say I personally support these policies? If you had bothered to read, you would see that I never said such a thing.
Read before you post.
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 MoracCat god
join:2001-08-30
Riverside, NJ
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said by pnh102:There's 2 scenarios under which an ISP can make a lot of money with a cap:
1. Caps and overages give ISPs a huge disincentive against upgrading their networks. Why spend the millions of dollars on upgrades to allow for higher speeds when you can pocket the money spent on overages instead?
Or:
2. Upgrade the networks but leave the caps the same, or lower them. More customers will hit the cap faster.
Either scenario is a big winner for the ISPs.
Neither of those explain Comcast's cap implementation, which has no overages. If a user exceeds Comcast's 250 GB cap, something that is more and more likely to occur as time goes on, Comcast simply cuts off service.
So Comcast actually loses a customer and the money that customer is paying when the cap is exceeded.
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said by camaro92:did isp's forget to upgrade any of there network and just put a giant band aids on there network to get by because all the years I have lived in my city which has been for 30 years the only upgrade I have ever seen was the docsis 3.0 upgrade.
Really? So 30 years ago you had DOCSIS 1.1? That's pretty impressive, I would have killed to have broadband in 1981.
BTW, it's "their" in this context. |
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Most customers ration usage and are unable to cancel their expensive cable TV plans. Others pay double for the same service they had before as "business class" customers, as if they are operating Fortune 500 IT departments in their homes. |
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join:2005-03-19
Evanston, IL
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said by talz13:said by pnh102:2. Upgrade the networks but leave the caps the same, or lower them. More customers will hit the cap faster. My usage tends to stay the same or go down over time. There are only so many TV shows and movies to watch, and after I'm done with them, what is there left to download? PORN |
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Evanston, IL Reviews:
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said by Wilsdom:Most customers ration usage and are unable to cancel their expensive cable TV plans. Others pay double for the same service they had before as "business class" customers, as if they are operating Fortune 500 IT departments in their homes.
don't know how much business class is where you live but the performance tier equivalent on business class where I live costs the same as the residential tier. both are $65/month. yes, if you want more speed it gets very expensive. |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | reply to Morac
said by Morac:Neither of those explain Comcast's cap implementation, which has no overages. If a user exceeds Comcast's 250 GB cap, something that is more and more likely to occur as time goes on, Comcast simply cuts off service. I thought they would "ask" you to go to the business class service. But either way, as much as I hate caps, I have to say Comcast's is the least worst implementation. They could actually make a genuine argument about it being about network congestion management.
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LOL xp
EDIT: I think people need to remember that it's their network and we all pay for access. If they want to be greedy then don't make deals with them and let them go bankrupt. Until they don't start bleeding customers not a single company will listen because at the end of the day you still pay the bill. |
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said by pnh102:I thought they would "ask" you to go to the business class service. But either way, as much as I hate caps, I have to say Comcast's is the least worst implementation. They could actually make a genuine argument about it being about network congestion management.
From what I've read you can't actually get the business class service without a business tax ID so unless someone is running a business out of there home, there's no way to switch to business class.
As for congestion management, Comcast already has a separate mechanism for that that's independent of the cap. The cap is simply an anti-competition mechanism to prevent Internet companies from competing with Comcast's TV and VOIP services.
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join:2006-09-22
Lanesboro, MA
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Actually, I think pnh102  is one of the few obviously rich exec type that's not a shill posting here. He is merely stating the problem and why this will continue to get worse without intervention. That is, the corporations stand to profit greatly on this and not much competition to stop it, so loss of a few "unprofitable" customers is all they stand to lose, in many monopoly and duopoly(where the other guy's policy mirrors the other) markets. Relax, there are enough shills here to pick on. Take that energy and throw it at our paid off regulators, who made things the way they are with franchises(even for unserved areas) and other bs all for the sake of a buck. They are the ones betraying us.
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | said by Selenia:Actually, I think pnh102 is one of the few obviously rich exec type that's not a shill posting here. I wish I *was* a rich type... not an exec, just rich. 
said by Selenia: Take that energy and throw it at our paid off regulators, who made things the way they are with franchises(even for unserved areas) and other bs all for the sake of a buck. They are the ones betraying us. That's my other big beef against caps. In every state, any product or service that is sold by unit has to have whatever meter or scales used to measure out the quantities regulated, inspected and verified to be accurate.
The classic example I use is a gas station that would get into a lot of trouble if the gas pumps were not certified to actually be pumping what they say they pumped. I see no reason why caps on broadband should not be subject to the same scrutiny.
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KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to pnh102
He is right though, it does make business sense.
because everybody will or already does have caps then its not like you can run from the cap. you will go from one capped provider to the next.
from a moral standpoint they do not make sense in that they market you lots of speed to do lots of broadband things(heck they even pimp the shit out of "you can stream HD video"). but the cap is a Gotcha if you actually use the service as advertised on TV.
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How does a cap interfere with VoIP? |
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| Third party VoIP (like Vonage or Ooma) uses data which counts towards the cap.
Or did you think that VoIP somehow magically works without sending or receiving data?
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Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT Reviews:
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said by michieru:EDIT: I think people need to remember that it's their network and we all pay for access. If they want to be greedy then don't make deals with them and let them go bankrupt. Until they don't start bleeding customers not a single company will listen because at the end of the day you still pay the bill. And what do you do when you have no other choice for broadband internet? Go back to dialup? |
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said by Morac:From what I've read you can't actually get the business class service without a business tax ID so unless someone is running a business out of there home, there's no way to switch to business class. My ISP told me that as well, however...
I've been told that getting a business license is simple and cheap. You don't have to actually run a business, you just need the license and the tax ID number. It's not like they conduct inspections. |
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said by Kearnstd:from a moral standpoint they do not make sense in that they market you lots of speed to do lots of broadband things(heck they even pimp the shit out of "you can stream HD video"). but the cap is a Gotcha if you actually use the service as advertised on TV. Basically, it's a scam; They want you to pay for a service without actually having to provide what you pay for. |
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