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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD

Pathetic

This option should be available to everyone. People who can afford to drop any amount of money on broadband and computers to use it shouldn't be viewed as "poor."
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TOPDAWG
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Midland, ON
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1 recommendation

have to agree with ya. So called poor are not sporting big tv's in their homes along with having cable and computers. people in this day and age have no idea what poor really is.


25139889

join:2011-10-25
Toledo, OH
reply to pnh102

And you get to deem that why? the Feds decide what is considered poor not anyone else. They've been doing it for years. But as far as Comcast says with a cable box; if you have one or the fastest HSI package available; you shouldn't get the free package. But if you fall into the category of what the feds say; you should get the $10 per month HSI.



pnh102
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said by 25139889:

And you get to deem that why?

Being poor implies that you're having a hard time paying for things you need in order to survive. If you can pay for things like food, clothing, rent, health care and what not, and still have money left over for $10 a month for broadband, as well as what it costs to own a computer or other device that uses it then you are not poor.

When did being able to afford a marginal amount of money for luxuries become part of the definition of "poor?" If that's what the government is defining "poor" as then, once again, it gets it wrong.
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NormanS
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reply to 25139889

said by 25139889:

And you get to deem that why? the Feds decide what is considered poor not anyone else. They've been doing it for years.

Because they have been handing out charity for years; and those as hand out the money get to decide who qualifies for getting it.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


Simba7
I Void Warranties

join:2003-03-24
Billings, MT
reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

People who can afford to drop any amount of money on broadband and computers to use it shouldn't be viewed as "poor."

Depending on the computer. What if it was an old one that someone donated or given away?

Yes, people probably can't afford a "new" computer.. but I usually find old P2-P4's at the rescue mission for $10. That, plus a "found on the curb" CRT monitor, keyboard, and mouse.. It's technically "a computer".
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coldmoon
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reply to pnh102

quote:
When did being able to afford a marginal amount of money for luxuries become part of the definition of "poor?" If that's what the government is defining "poor" as then, once again, it gets it wrong.
Internet access is no longer a luxury and ranks appropriately with other utility services as it is becoming ever more essential for our prosperity as individuals AND as a nation. Get over the luxury nonsense and start looking up from the usual talking points...
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Chester2

join:2000-10-17
Menlo Park, CA
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reply to pnh102

You need to have a child to qualify for this service.

I don't consider myself poor but I can't afford to have a child.

Why should I have to subsidize people who can afford children?
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pnh102
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reply to coldmoon

said by coldmoon:

Internet access is no longer a luxury and ranks appropriately with other utility services as it is becoming ever more essential for our prosperity as individuals AND as a nation. Get over the luxury nonsense and start looking up from the usual talking points...

If it is such a necessity then everyone should be able to get it for $10 a month.
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pnh102
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reply to Chester2

said by Chester2:

You need to have a child to qualify for this service.

I don't consider myself poor but I can't afford to have a child.

Why should I have to subsidize people who can afford children?

Good point.
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coldmoon
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reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

said by coldmoon:

Internet access is no longer a luxury and ranks appropriately with other utility services as it is becoming ever more essential for our prosperity as individuals AND as a nation. Get over the luxury nonsense and start looking up from the usual talking points...

If it is such a necessity then everyone should be able to get it for $10 a month.

No argument there and one way to get that price break would be to break up the creation/delivery scam, dumb down the pipes, and let the ISPs fight for customers based on price and service quality. We should invest in a national FTTH program as we did with the roadways under Eisenhower then reap the rewards of universal broadband access...
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MovieLover76

join:2009-09-11
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reply to TOPDAWG

You can get a really cheap netbook these days for $200 like the
super-slim Asus Eee PC X101

With almost all jobs only accepting resumes online and more and more day to day business moving to the internet, it's becoming a neccesity and a really good tool to learn and this is for household that have children, I'm assuming that it is intended to help those poor children who are poor due to no fault of their own.

So I think it's perfectly reasonable that a poor person could afford a cheap netbook, or even get one as a gift or have one given to them via a charity and not be able to afford $50 a month for a cable modem but $10 makes it more affordable.

It's just sad that this so called move to help the poor is so pathetic.
It's really easy to sit and judge the poor when your well off.
and just so you know, I'm not the poor, I'm solidly middle class
and not looking for a handout myself. I just think the poor deserve any help we can give those who want to help themselves.



zoom314

join:2005-11-21
Yermo, CA
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reply to pnh102

$10 a month? That would be nice, As to being poor what would You know? Me I know plenty, I'm poor, disabled and oh I have no debt, But then I get only SSI, nothing else. My DSL is $22.83 a month, What I'd like to do would be to rent a place near civilization w/o any steps and a place that allows pets, I have a cat and an empty aquarium, but I can't as the least expensive is $599 and they don't allow pets, I'd have to be a senior whose at least 55 and I'm only 51.5 now(I'm afraid She'd go outside and get run over anywhere where I can't keep Her inside where It's safe, She follows Me everywhere in the place I do rent thanks to a sympathetic owner), So My only other hope is getting a mortgage and buying a house for $60,000 or less. Oh and My PC? I slowly built that and the browser has a spell checker added to It as I'm disabled, I have a GED(My parents didn't believe in a college education, they were born in 1918 and 1922, both are dead now), just cause I can type a bit does not mean I can work, being disabled wasn't a choice I wanted, It was thrust on Me in 2003. I won't go into how I'm disabled, unless You want Me to bore Ya to death...

So Yeah I know what being poor is like, I took care of My Mom until She died in 1998, We shared expenses, later I helped My dying Brother for as long as I could.



realitycheck

@comcast.net
reply to coldmoon

Internet is a luxury not a need.. hell the ability to own a vehicle is still considered a luxury and not a need.



coldmoon
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Broadway, NC
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said by realitycheck :

Internet is a luxury not a need.. hell the ability to own a vehicle is still considered a luxury and not a need.

For the former - perhaps in 1999 you would be correct. As it is now an essential communications tool for both consumers and businesses, your assertion holds little water.

As for the latter - only if you live in Europe where there is ubiquitous public transportation available; even in rural areas, then you might have a seed for a larger discussion. Here in the US, the car is essential for everything unless you live in the middle of a large city like New York or Chicago. Get outside the cities, even in the suburbs, having access to a car or owning one becomes essential for survival.
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NormanS
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said by coldmoon:

Get outside the cities, even in the suburbs, having access to a car or owning one becomes essential for survival.

They have transit in the sleepy bedroom community of Roseville, California.

I've lived on VTA for rides since some idiot took out my car in a rear-end collision a few years back. It wasn't until I became my mother's caretaker that I got access to a car again.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


coldmoon
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·Windstream

said by NormanS:

said by coldmoon:

Get outside the cities, even in the suburbs, having access to a car or owning one becomes essential for survival.

They have transit in the sleepy bedroom community of Roseville, California.

I've lived on VTA for rides since some idiot took out my car in a rear-end collision a few years back. It wasn't until I became my mother's caretaker that I got access to a car again.

California is different from the rest of the nation, especially if you live in the south and/or mid-west. Even in NY it is the same once you get north of the major metropolitan areas and away from the few rail services available.

If you don't have a vehicle, your only recourse is to live in a major city...
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NormanS
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said by coldmoon:

California is different from the rest of the nation, especially if you live in the south and/or mid-west. Even in NY it is the same once you get north of the major metropolitan areas and away from the few rail services available.

If you don't have a vehicle, your only recourse is to live in a major city...

There are three major, and two minor urban regions in California. Everything else is as rural as any other part of the U.S.

Living outside of an urban area can be almost as costly as living in one. I have done both.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum

xrobertcmx
Premium
join:2001-06-18
Sterling, VA
reply to pnh102

Seriously? A lot of poor folks need internet these days. I have family with children in school and for some reason the schools which are by the way bankrupt, are handing out laptops for the students. Grades, attendance, homework, everything are posted on blackboard.
The $9.99 price point would help a great deal, but I doubt they will qualify.
To make things more fun, as someone here pointed out, almost all jobs require online applications.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD

said by xrobertcmx:

The $9.99 price point would help a great deal, but I doubt they will qualify.

Which is why Comcast should have been forced to offer this option to everyone. As always, we have another situation where the government rubber stamps a merger while attaching a bunch of worthless feel-good gimmicks to it to make it look good. This is no different that AT&T's seemingly-impossible-to-get $10 a month naked DSL.
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yme79

@myvzw.com
reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

said by 25139889:

And you get to deem that why?

Being poor implies that you're having a hard time paying for things you need in order to survive. If you can pay for things like food, clothing, rent, health care and what not, and still have money left over for $10 a month for broadband, as well as what it costs to own a computer or other device that uses it then you are not poor.

When did being able to afford a marginal amount of money for luxuries become part of the definition of "poor?" If that's what the government is defining "poor" as then, once again, it gets it wrong.

Well I'm poor but after I pay all my bills I only have like $120 for the whole month. Now being poor is managed as long as as you have a budget and. Stick to it! Yes I have unlimited broadband on my smartphone. But I think the government is just saying that in this day and age broadband internet access has become almost a necessity and that everyone rich poor or " middle. Class " needs access. To it. Thats all.


Anonymous
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reply to pnh102

said by pnh102:

said by 25139889:

And you get to deem that why?

...If you can pay for things like food, clothing, rent, health care and what not, and still have money left over for $10 a month for broadband, as well as what it costs to own a computer or other device that uses it then you are not poor...

Really? Hmmm internet access is a must have these days. Just like water and power. Kids need internet access for school, adults need it for paying bills online, job search etc. You need to include internet access in that list of yours.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD

said by Anonymous:

said by pnh102:

said by 25139889:

And you get to deem that why?

...If you can pay for things like food, clothing, rent, health care and what not, and still have money left over for $10 a month for broadband, as well as what it costs to own a computer or other device that uses it then you are not poor...

Really? Hmmm internet access is a must have these days. Just like water and power. Kids need internet access for school, adults need it for paying bills online, job search etc. You need to include internet access in that list of yours.

Yes. Really. If you can afford all these things, you are not poor. You want to see poor? Go look at a homeless shelter. Go look at people who live out on the streets begging for food. That's poverty. Most "poor" people in the USA have some kind of housing, access to cable TV, some kind of taxpayer-financed health care, taxpayer-financed food, taxpayer-financed or subsidized heating, and other "freebies." That is not poverty.
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Anonymous
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What is it with conservatives and hating the poor? You don't get to say who's poor and who's not. The government does that. For poor people who can afford it that is also the only form of entertainment they have. So I say they deserve it.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD

said by Anonymous:

What is it with conservatives and hating the poor? You don't get to say who's poor and who's not. The government does that. For poor people who can afford it that is also the only form of entertainment they have. So I say they deserve it.

I have every right in the world to pass judgement on and criticize people who benefit from my hard work. And I will.

And since when is it the government's job to provide people with entertainment? Poor people outside of the USA would love to be "poor" in this country.
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Anonymous
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Go for it! There is nothing you can do other than whine about it.
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pnh102
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said by Anonymous:

Go for it! There is nothing you can do other than whine about it.

Then why do you care?
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