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Re: Worth repeating - corporations don't pay taxes-customers do Sure, when some companies pay corporate taxes and other can avoid it, there are distortions in the marketplace that makes things less economically efficient. That is the fault of government.
There should be no corporate taxes. But public officials love to tax the sheeple indirectly - it makes them believe they aren't being taxed. If all taxes were levied against individuals directly, as it should be, they would finally realize how much money the government was taking from their pockets.
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| said by fAcEtIOUs:If all taxes were levied against individuals directly, as it should be, they would finally realize how much money the government was taking from their pockets. So, businesses should get away with basically using fire and police services for free? They should get the benefits of the military without paying something into the cost? They should benefit from the education system without paying something into that system? Get real.
Businesses use and benefit from government services and should pay for them along with individual taxpayers who benefit. If business don't pay for the services that they use, then the tax payer is subsidizing them and frankly, the individual taxpayer has subsidized profitable private industries far too much. |
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said by GetReal :said by fAcEtIOUs:If all taxes were levied against individuals directly, as it should be, they would finally realize how much money the government was taking from their pockets. So, businesses should get away with basically using fire and police services for free? They should get the benefits of the military without paying something into the cost? They should benefit from the education system without paying something into that system? Get real. Wow, that was a really impressive job of COMPLETELY ignoring the argument that you were responding to.
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| said by footballdude:Wow, that was a really impressive job of COMPLETELY ignoring the argument that you were responding to.
Not quite. The argument was made that taxes should not be levied against businesses, only against natural persons or, in the post replied to, "individuals". There are reasons why businesses should pay taxes, most specifically that they receive benefits from government services. The response was pointing that out that there are reasons businesses should pay taxes too. |
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Marshfield, MA | They pay property taxes on their buildings. Just like you pay them on your house. |
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| A good percentage of corporations have gotten their government flunkies to reduce or eliminate their property taxes. Try doing that with your house |
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said by amarryat:They pay property taxes on their buildings. Just like you pay them on your house. Yes that is true, however, the original poster made a statement that taxes should only levied on individuals. If you hash that idea completely out, that preclude property taxes on business properties if they were owned by corporations. |
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Marshfield, MA | reply to Wilsdom
If I employed hundreds of people in my town at my house, I'd probably be able to negotiate something like that. |
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said by GetReal :The argument was made that taxes should not be levied against businesses, only against natural persons or, in the post replied to, "individuals". Nope. His point was that taxes levied against businesses are simply passed on to individuals. |
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Marshfield, MA | reply to GetReal
Corporations are merely groups of people. Tax that entity and you are really taxing the investors, eg. 401K plans invested in stocks etc. |
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Grove City, PA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
That just means that you, and everyone else is left to make up the difference.
This is a company that has Indian tech support for dsl and refuses to deploy faster speeds in areas that are not fios, then they wonder why dsl sales dry up.
Seems to me the average person should have benefited from this by now. Why is my bill not cut in half to represent Uncle Sam's share being cut out? Why are areas they won't deploy any service beyond POTS in not being built because they have a 2-4 year ROI? Why has FIOS builds stopped?
I would think investors would love to have some of those questions answered.
Besides, haven't you been watching Fox news lately? We're in massive debt, but corporate giants not paying taxes is good?
If you're really for lower taxes, demand your elected official cut military spending by 90%. Your taxes will be half what they are now!
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said by amarryat:Corporations are merely groups of people. Tax that entity and you are really taxing the investors, eg. 401K plans invested in stocks etc. Yes they are, which is why the corporate income tax should be zero if we continue to tax capital gains and dividends the way we are doing it now. If the corporation has already paid taxes on its profits, the shareholders shouldn't have to pay taxes again on that same money and vice versa.
However, no person or group of people should benefit from government services without paying for them and corporations receive a benefit from the government in the form of services like fire and police protections. Advocating for no taxes on corporations means that individuals are forced to pay higher rates and are essentially subsidizing the services that businesses receive from the government. |
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said by footballdude:Nope. His point was that taxes levied against businesses are simply passed on to individuals. In the original post, yes. In the post I responded to, no. The point of the post I responded to was that taxes levied on business should be eliminated because they are simply passed on. My point is that creates a problem whereby business benefits from services it doesn't pay for if you do that. There is no reason to debate that those taxes are passed on to customers since we all know that is the case, however it is fair to debate the idea that business should pay no tax because they pass those costs on. |
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said by GetReal :If the corporation has already paid taxes on its profits, the shareholders shouldn't have to pay taxes again on that same money and vice versa.
I dream of that day. By extension, then all money should be taxed once and only once. However it is taxed again and again in the current system. When I get paid, I also pay taxes. When I pay someone to mow the lawn, they pay taxes on the money that I paid them, which was already taxed. And on and on..... |
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| said by amarryat:I dream of that day. By extension, then all money should be taxed once and only once. However it is taxed again and again in the current system. When I get paid, I also pay taxes. When I pay someone to mow the lawn, they pay taxes on the money that I paid them, which was already taxed. And on and on..... I don't know how that would work though... You would eventually end up at a point where nothing would be taxed because the money has flowed through the economy a couple of times.
There is no simple solution to an issue like taxation. |
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| said by GetReal :said by amarryat:I dream of that day. By extension, then all money should be taxed once and only once. However it is taxed again and again in the current system. When I get paid, I also pay taxes. When I pay someone to mow the lawn, they pay taxes on the money that I paid them, which was already taxed. And on and on..... I don't know how that would work though... You would eventually end up at a point where nothing would be taxed because the money has flowed through the economy a couple of times. There is no simple solution to an issue like taxation. Maybe a consumption tax, but to prevent re-taxation, only on the end product. |
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So because I am a small biz owner of a corp this does not mean that me our my staff drives on anymore public roadways, uses more school resources, goes to the library anymore, etc. I pay my taxes as a citizen just like everyone else and then some! Because I am taxed on revenue that I dont get to take home because I like the idea of keeping cash in the bank to pay bills and payroll, I end up with a tax rate about 40%.
We all pay our taxes and use the same amount of "public services" in infrastructure, defense, etc. Stop thinking that all corporations need taxed. Most of the corps out there are small biz like me and more taxes will crush them in this rat hole economy. Just clean up the tax code and put everyone on the same field and get rid of the loop holes that large firms can lobby DC to put in for them. |
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Huh? So you understand business passes the cost of taxation onto customers, hence individuals are already paying for the government services from which the business benefits. Business ALREADY benefits from services it doesn't pay for. Seems you're contradicting your own point... |
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Well, if businesses don't want to pay their share of taxes, fine. Then you shouldn't expect the police or the fire department to show up at your business when you need them. |
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