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Re: DCX3400 box for sale on craigslist people are looking to the wrong company...sue moto/SA...not comcast.....your tv provider has nothing to do with the lack of equipment for sale to the public..... |
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 owlynPremium,MVM
join:2004-06-05
Newtown, PA
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said by Joe12345678:said by owlyn:said by Joe12345678:That sounds like the BS that was used to lock you into renting your home phone in the past.
First-sale doctrine
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
This right was underlined by the US courts in the case of NEBG v Weinstein,[4] in which a film-industry defendant accepted that it had no right to restrict buyers of DVDs from renting them to third parties.
IMO, the first sale doctrine has nothing to do with this. The device is "first sold" to an MSO. They can do with it whatever they want- resell it, or not resell it. In the U.S., most do not resell it. Even if the situation is that, in order to purchase and use the boxes, the MSO must enter into an agreement with the manufacturer to not resell the boxes, that is their choice. Also, we don't know who wants that stipulation. The MSOs may insist that the manufacturer not sell to consumers. Either way, the first sale doctrine doesn't seem to apply. I don't think an agreement like that will hold up in court MS tried stuff like that aka you can only sell systems with windows on them and the courts stopped that. Any ways what if they where dumped?? I herd some one found a WeatherStar XL in a dumpster at old cable head end. What if some ended up at a electronics recycling place? The electronics recycling do sell PC's and other stuff they take in. Whatever, dude. The point is that you can buy whatever you can find, but don't expect Comcast to activate it. Comcast boxes found on the web are either unreturned to Comcast, or stolen, and in either case they still belong to Comcast. The only other boxes came from Canada. Either way, they won't be activated. |
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 halfbandPremium
join:2002-06-01
Huntsville, AL
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Even if you could purchase a box and get it activated in most areas you would only save the "User Provided Equipment Credit" which is around $2.00 to $2.50 off the "Additional Outlet Fee".
While the future of cable equipment availability is likely to morph into a world of tivos and other customer boxes just as the AT&T provided phone equipment industry eventually changed, it will be a slow process. For now, finding a legal loophole, and a cable system that is customer centered enough to allow you to use your own purchased set top box is going to be painful.
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| But it could've been different if the FCC had gotten off their ass about AllVid, because then all MVPDs would've been required to provide open, IP-based access instead of this card crap. Not to mention losing the STB lock-in that they all love. |
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 DrDrewSo that others may surf.
join:2009-01-28
SoCal
kudos:8 | said by GTFan:But it could've been different if the FCC had gotten off their ass about AllVid, because then all MVPDs would've been required to provide open, IP-based access instead of this card crap. Not to mention losing the STB lock-in that they all love.
The AllVid proposal was floated by the FCC last year, it's not even any sort of standard a company can build a product to fit. The FCC ordered CableCARD 13 years ago and the first user obtainable device saw light of day 7 years ago. Don't expect AllVid to actually be a usable device for a few more years.
Companies and consumers love spending billions of dollars on the direction of the FCC's whim...
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said by GTFan:But it could've been different if the FCC had gotten off their ass about AllVid, because then all MVPDs would've been required to provide open, IP-based access instead of this card crap. Not to mention losing the STB lock-in that they all love.
Evan if Comcast went to Allvid Comcast still would not provision a Motorola or sa box because it belong to them.
You can not go ip based because there still a lot of people that do not need or want a computer or internet service. It will have to be able to us without the internet.
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| I don't really give a damn about the uninformed masses, I want AllVid so I can run my own setup and easily switch to any provider without using their crappy boxes. I'm sure tons of folks want the MVPDs to take care of them just like Ma Bell used to do, and AllVid ain't for them. |
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