 SysOp
join:2001-04-18
Douglasville, GA | reply to caribconsult
Re: [Mobile] What is 4G? Now here is a good reason to get 4g! |
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 AlcoholPremium
join:2003-05-26
Climax, MI
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Re: [Mobile] What is 4G? said by SysOp:However it is hype. Many websites or ftp servers have hard limits on how many connections and throttle those connections so not to saturate their uplink. Example think about how much faster dslreports loads on dsl vs cable vs 3g vs 4g, not much.
Wrong... Again.
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Some are missing the point here....suppose you don't have DSL or fibre-optic or zippy cable, as is the case for those of us who don't live in urban areas.
So what are your choices? Dialup or Mobil BroadBand or Hughes. Need I say anything about Hughes? OK, I thought not. Dialup we won't even discuss. So that leaves MBB, which I've used successfully (3G Sprint/Millenicom) for 3+ years, until it recently slowed down so woefully that I needed to move on.
And I did; to AT&T 4G, which initially was HSPA+, or medium speed 4G, but just last week jumped up to LTE, the fastest level, which coincidentally works right with my router. And can you imagine my delight when I saw numbers like those I posted above?
I don't care what you call it, or how many servers or other high-tech gizmos are involved...it's FASTER and that's the one and only bottom line from my perspective. If I had a choice, I'd rather go with hispeed cable, like comcast in some areas, but I don't have that choice. So MBB is a godsend, and 4G LTE really makes it useable. If you live in a somewhat remote area, it may be your only sensible choice right now.
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What is AP and LTE?
Where can one connect via wifi? Is it just at their home if they have a wireless router? |
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SysOp
join:2001-04-18
Douglasville, GA Reviews:
 ·voip.ms
·T-Mobile US
·Clear Wireless
·Comcast
4 edits | reply to caribconsult
No sir. You misunderstand. You do want 4G if it's your only ISP.
Since I am talking about cell phones, when I refer to the hype, I am talking about the marketing hype from cell phone companies pushing bigger better faster stronger. Touting 4G. But do I need it? Do I need it on my cell phone?
Strictly speaking about cell phones, mobile web browsing for me doesn't require anything more than a 3G connection. So, I must be one of the few who just doesn't watch movies on my cell phone. I also don't run a mobile office.
What I do want is for the prices to come down. |
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 tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1
·T-Mobile US
1 edit | reply to Alcohol
said by Alcohol:said by toby:"What? It's not marketing. 4G gives you faster speeds, even if it's the wanna-be 4G like hspa+."
It is marketing mostly.
Just because my phone is connected to XYZg, it doesn't mean it will get those super duper XYZg speeds.
Depends on many items like how many people are connected to the tower, how fast the backbone is from the tower, how far you are from the tower, how strong the signal is on your phone.
Ofcourse. But that has nothing to do with 4g not being superior to 3g and just being marketing. Funny.
I have 2 speed tests from 2 different cellular companies. I took both of these myself, and I pay both of these companies. I have no reason to prefer one over the other (well, other than when one of these consistently outperforms the other).
Mind telling me which one of these is "4g" and which one is "3g" (or "faux-g")?
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really though. take a guess.
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exactly.
4g is marketing.
LTE/WiMax/HSPA+ are what matters.
And even then, those need to be judged on their merits - not advertising.
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 r81984Fair and BalancedPremium
join:2001-11-14
Katy, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
 ·AT&T DSL Service
·row44
1 edit | reply to TomBrooklyn
1G (analog) - 56kbit/s (56K modem speeds, if lucky) - 1983
2G (digital) - 115kbit/s - Mid 90s (still used today in some places)
3G (digital)- at least 200kbit/s - (around 2001)
4G (digital) - 100 Mbit/s mobile, 1 Gbit/s stationary - (Future)
There is a little more to it than just speeds, but that is the gist of it.
There is not one real 4G provider today, but the term is not protected legally so marketing departments decided to do what they wanted.
When real 4G comes out, in the US we might be calling it 6G by then do to marketing departments.
To understand what your provider offers you cant trust if they call it 3G, 4G, 5G, etc as they do not follow the international standard. To really know what you are getting, you have to find the technology they implemented and look up its capabilities and speed test a few devices in the store or read other user reviews.
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 djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4
·Clear Wireless
·Time Warner Cable
·T-Mobile US
| Well, they couldn't call my phone 3g, cause there is a HUGE difference between original 3g devices on t-mobile (384kbps) and my 42Mb/s phone. (around 20-30Mb/s in real life). Comparing them to each other isn't valid. (And my old windows mobile handset i had years ago was advertised as a 3.5g device, with speeds upto 3.6Mb/s. so that was used for a while now too. )
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SysOp
join:2001-04-18
Douglasville, GA Reviews:
·voip.ms
·T-Mobile US
·Clear Wireless
·Comcast
1 edit | +1
Would anyone care to run a test for me? First in LTE mode, the second in HSPA+ mode, same phone, same tower.
Also, HSPA+ speed test ATT vs Tmobile. You will need a "tri-band umts" unlocked phone (Not the same thing as quad-band gsm) and access to both sim cards.
Again, must be same phone, same tower for these test! |
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djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 Reviews:
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·Time Warner Cable
·T-Mobile US
1 edit | An at&t and T-Mobile hspa+ would be amusing considering T-Mobile uses 42Mb/s Hspa+ and at&t mostly uses 14.4Mb/s lmao |
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OK, I didn't realize you were talking about cellphone only. As you said, I do indeed want 4G for my ISP.
Now regarding HSPA+ versus LTE, I can tell you that when my 4G (AT&T) service was HSPA+, it would speed test out at around 3-6Mbps down and about 2-3Mbps up, and pings around 250, sometimes slower in late afternoons and early evenings. Also, it was extremely unstable in my Cradlepoint router, to the point where I bagged the router and used the aircard in a laptop dedicated host and ICS for my LAN.
When they went to LTE, about a month ago, the downloads jumped up to the 15-25Mbps range, pings in the 90's range, and uploads in the 3-5Mbps range....considerably better, no? Also, the aircard was very stable back in the router, with no changes to anything in the card or router.
As you indicated, I don't use my cellphone for videos, web browsing, camcorder, games and such. Phone calls, texts and appointments y nada más.
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djdanskaRudie32Premium,MVM
join:2001-04-21
kudos:4 | That's why I like Tmobile. Newer version. My pings are around 45 to 70 Ms. better than my mediacom home connection with same speeds as your lte and very good battery life |
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tiger72SexaT duorPPremium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 Reviews:
·T-Mobile US
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said by caribconsult:OK, I didn't realize you were talking about cellphone only. As you said, I do indeed want 4G for my ISP.
Now regarding HSPA+ versus LTE, I can tell you that when my 4G (AT&T) service was HSPA+, it would speed test out at around 3-6Mbps down and about 2-3Mbps up, and pings around 250, sometimes slower in late afternoons and early evenings. Also, it was extremely unstable in my Cradlepoint router, to the point where I bagged the router and used the aircard in a laptop dedicated host and ICS for my LAN.
When they went to LTE, about a month ago, the downloads jumped up to the 15-25Mbps range, pings in the 90's range, and uploads in the 3-5Mbps range....considerably better, no? Also, the aircard was very stable back in the router, with no changes to anything in the card or router.
I kinda get tired ragging on ATT's UMTS (HSPA) network, but seriously - that network is just poorly engineered and oversaturated. When you look at almost every other HSPA+ network in the world, you see speeds and ping times are VERY competitive with LTE.
And keep in mind that those LTE speeds will get slower as more people get on the network. Right now there's hardly anyone on it. Just like with VZW, the speeds will settle out around where HSPA+ has already settled: ~8-14mbps down, 2-4mbps up.
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SysOp
join:2001-04-18
Douglasville, GA Reviews:
·voip.ms
·T-Mobile US
·Clear Wireless
·Comcast
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I found this a good read... 4G coverage is king (or queen), not speed. While the operators tout their 4G speeds, it doesn't do users any good if they are not in the coverage area. VZW will continue its aggressive rollout of its LTE network and expects to cover two-thirds of the population by the middle of 2012; T-Mobile will focus on its high-performing HSPA+42 network to remain the solid #2 4G operator in the US, for now. AT&T's LTE network (sans a T-Mobile merger) will nudge Sprint out of its number three position and is poised to be #2 by the end of the year. Sprint will launch its LTE in 2012 with a look toward 2013 and beyond with Clearwire, LightSquared and others still uncertain about their 4G plans. Who will be the winners? Nearly everyone: consumers, the infrastructure vendors providing all of that RAN, optical Ethernet, IP routing and switching and wireless backhaul gear, not to mention the device manufacturers.
4G goes for tiers. Globally, 4G leaders such as TeliaSonera and Telstra highlight the advantages of a two-tiered network strategy, utilizing LTE in dense urban centers and HSPA+ in the rural areas for broader coverage. In the US, 4G Tiers will be highlighted by devices and plans, with less capable smartphones offering a different experience (and cost) than the high-end devices. |
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