alkizmo
join:2007-06-25
Pierrefonds, QC | reply to jfmezei
Re: 2011-703 Filings Yeah but the hornets charge way too much on stinger capacity. For the beers to make some profit, they'd have to limit their stinging to one sting per hour every time they swarm, that way they can use something like 75% of the capacity on average.
But then victims will complain that a bee attack takes several hours instead of a few minutes.
If only bees could build their own hives. |
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 MerovingianCause and Effect
join:2011-03-31
Toronto, ON
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said by jfmezei:alkizmo, you forgot:
CRTC stepped on hornets' nest. Hornets outrourced the response to nearby bees who will do a better jobs at stinging and at a lower cost to Hornets. (do hornets lose their life after they have sung a human ? If so, that would be good enoug incentive for them to outsource their response to the CRTC).
++1  lmfao !
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MerovingianCause and Effect
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said by alkizmo:Yeah but the hornets charge way too much on stinger capacity. For the beers to make some profit, they'd have to limit their stinging to one sting per hour every time they swarm, that way they can use something like 75% of the capacity on average.
But then victims will complain that a bee attack takes several hours instead of a few minutes.
If only bees could build their own hives.
++1 Yup I believes it! bzzt, bzzt!
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 sbrookPremium,Mod
join:2001-12-14
Ottawa
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It's interesting that MTS plays both sides of the coin? Partly as an incumbent Telco in Manitoba where they want to play the role of incumbent thief, and outside Manitoba as a CLEC and TPIA provider.
Very very divided loyalties to the cause! |
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 elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium
join:2006-08-30
HarperLand
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| said by sbrook:It's interesting that MTS plays both sides of the coin? Partly as an incumbent Telco in Manitoba where they want to play the role of incumbent thief, and outside Manitoba as a CLEC and TPIA provider.
Very very divided loyalties to the cause!
Actually it's smart, open up to new markets, take a bath while you grow market share, once you've grown to certain point, you start playing the same game you play at home.
So we're added a new "competitor" to the marketplace, which will allow the government to claim there is competition in the marketplace, no need for regulation, but all you've done is dilute the market further, and allow another player to rape (in our case) Ontarians. Bell and Rogers weren't enough, MTS wants it's pound of flesh too.
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 andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
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Shaw is first in and it did not arrive in email,had to hunt it down.Have not recieved telus,sasktel or bell aliant either even thou supposed to be in yesterday.Prices aint to bad really
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>do hornets lose their life after they have sung a human ?
Nope. They are best suited for stinging the CRTC repeatedly.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornet
>unlike typical bees, hornets and wasps do not die after stinging because their stingers are not barbed and are not pulled out of their bodies.
Picture related: "Alleged Kill Bees". |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 Reviews:
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OK Mr AndyB,
Where did you find this tariff ? The Shaw_703.zip appears damaged. Perhaps it is a proprietary Microsoft ZIP format ?
The CRTC web site does not list any recent shaw tariffs. The most recent one is TN18. The last TPIA was TN17 in april.
»www.crtc.gc.ca/8740/eng/2011/s9.htm
BTW, the CRTC issued decision 714 making the boost to 6-1 final decision. In that one, they state they received no comments. I should R&V that one since they have my comments on file. |
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andybPremium
join:2003-05-29
SW Ontario
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| Got it from the old part VII's 2011-77 section.They should all be posted there also as well as in tariff pages but..As for being corrupt file Its fine here using winrar.I will reup just incase.
EDIT:Extracted and rezipped.Tests/extracts fine fine |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
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| Found it.
Section 8b) Others
2011-11-29 - Shaw Cablesystems G.P.
And it is the CRTC's version which is corrupt. They use a special microsoft-only format for .zips
I am surprised that Shaw did not send the tariff to the 2011-77 distribution list. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | OK, got it opened by using a different unzip utility.
Interesting that the shaw tariff is just that one page. I would have thought they would have submitted the full tariff. |
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The file that AndyB posted extracts fine with WinRAR. The contents are attached here. |
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 hm
@videotron.ca | reply to andyb
said by andyb:Prices aint to bad really
Prices aren't good at all compared to Shaws own prices.
At most I can see a reseller charging 3$ less. But maybe it will be more considering the new aggregation pricing.
It's rather shitty to be honest. |
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hm
@videotron.ca | The thing is with these pricings, the only thing the CRTC does with them is accept them and file them. There is zero scrutiny at all when tariffs are filed. Nothing.
So if something is off and CNOC says nothing at all, then it's accepted at face value. Case closed. |
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| said by hm :There is zero scrutiny at all when tariffs are filed. Nothing. If you go read the CRTC's decision, the CRTC does cross-reference the incumbents' numbers with each other and trim cost claims when they are too far out of line with other incumbents... this is a lot more than "nothing". |
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| said by InvalidError:said by hm :There is zero scrutiny at all when tariffs are filed. Nothing. If you go read the CRTC's decision, the CRTC does cross-reference the incumbents' numbers with each other and trim cost claims when they are too far out of line with other incumbents... this is a lot more than "nothing". When have you ever seen this done when new tariffs are filed?
Unless you wish to correct me by posting the link to such a case in the past 5 years i won't be eating my foot anytime soon.
What they say and what happens are always two different things with them.
Good grief man, they are also supposed to be an independent organization that serves the needs and interests of the public. Now that is also another joke. |
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| said by Show me :When have you ever seen this done when new tariffs are filed?
Unless you wish to correct me by posting the link to such a case in the past 5 years i won't be eating my foot anytime soon. Tariffs aren't where the CRTC makes adjustments, decisions is where that happens and you can see that happening in 2011-703. |
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Adjustments, exclusions of costs and other changes have been made by the CRTC on several occasions both in the recent and less recent (10 years ago) past.
If you haven't seen any of these CRTC edits to the costs, its because you aren't paying close enough attention to the proceedings. The CRTC asks a lot of questions about cost and process, see interrogatories. |
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| >The CRTC asks a lot of questions about cost and process, see interrogatories.
Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. The 2011-703 has some price adjustments on the decision.
It didn't happen for some of the previous UBB related ones. At one point, I thought CRTC ask for real numbers, but the incumbents ignored that anyways.
The big issues is that the responses are always #### without any transparency. It is very hard for anyone outside of the old boys network to know if the numbers haven't been stuffed. |
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jfmezeiPremium
join:2007-01-03
Pointe-Claire, QC
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| It is interesting that for 2010-632, the CRTC asked companies to file new tarffs, and those were given a debate as well as their cost studies. (not a fair debate, but a debate nonetheless). And it was not a complete deate because it got interupted by some idiot who filed a petition with 500signatures and another idiot who filed a petition to governor in council 
Now, we see those taruffs simply added to the 2011-77 record, and I am wondering if the CRTC will even allow debate on them.
This makes it interesting in terms of possible challenges because if everything is kept in the same file, it is possible that the whole file would be challenged even if it is only one cable company that is unhappy enough to challenge its rates. |
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