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<description><![CDATA[DrDrew posted : Samsung also produces a few of the cable box models TWC uses with their Navigator guide, which have CableCards.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SpHeRe31459 posted : There's a slight irony there, considering Samsung OEMs the cable boxes with downloadable security that Cablevision uses.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : FYI - Samsung has now revealed plans to produce a CableCARD-powered hybrid cable/OTT STB:<br><br><b>Samsung To (Re)Enter CableCARD Fray</b><br>By Dave Zatz, Zatz Not Funny! - May 21, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2013-05/samsung-to-reenter-cablecard-fray/" >www.zatznotfunny.com/2013-05/sam&middot;&middot;&middot;rd-fray/</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>OK, well, maybe not so much as a replacement:<br>      <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR></i>And separately, in its ongoing dance with service providers, Microsoft may also be pursuing an HDMI pass-through feature that would allow it to overlay its own Xbox UI (user interface) on a cable video feed.</i><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>From GigaOM (<b>What online video and TV fans can expect from Microsoft&#146;s next Xbox -</b> &raquo;<A HREF="http://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/next-xbox-preview/" >gigaom.com/2013/05/20/next-xbox-preview/</A> ):<br>      <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR></i><b>Live TV, courtesy of your cable box</b><br><br>Leaks of key documents about the next Xbox&#146;s hardware have shown that the device will come with two HDMI ports: One to connect the Xbox to your TV, <u>and one to connect your cable box to the Xbox.</u> That&#146;s the same setup used by Google TV and the latest Slingbox, and it allows Microsoft to access your live TV programming and overlay it with its own programming guide, widgets and apps.<br><br><b>Why this matters:</b> Microsoft wants users to always consume TV through the Xbox &#151; even if the actual TV programming comes from traditional cable, and not an Xbox Live app. This shows how important TV has become for the Xbox, but the somewhat cumbersome setup also goes to show how complicated it is for even someone like Microsoft to get access to the content that matters most to consumers.</i><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Anyway, we will find out definitely around 1PM ET today when Microsoft holds their New Xbox reveal event.<br> </p></div>Latest article about the new "Xbox One"'s TV features:<br><br><b>Microsoft announces new Xbox One with live TV guide, media multitasking and group video Skype</b><br>By Janko Roettgers, GigaOM - May 21, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://gigaom.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-announcement/" >gigaom.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one-announcement/</A><br><br>EDIT: From: <br><b>Exclusive First Look at Xbox One</b><br>By Peter Rubin, Wired - May 21, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/" >www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/05/xbox-one/</A><br>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR><i>Xbox One will utilize a few different methods to deliver live TV to the Xbox universe. Chief among those&#151;at least in the US&#151;is HDMI pass-through, in which the cable box, satellite box, or similar device (e.g., the aforementioned cablecard-equipped TiVo ) connects directly to the Xbox One, which then passes the mediated signal to the television via an HDMI-out port. <br><br>Because of that direct pipe from your TV provider to the Xbox One, you can watch TV with varying degrees of Xbox overlay. It can look exactly like your plain old TV interface, being controlled with the original remote. Alternately, you can use Xbox&#146;s electronic programming guide, which presents a lineup based on your favorite channels or tells you what your friends are watching and can be controlled via voice, gesture, and game controller. Or, thanks to Xbox SmartGlass, the second-screen functionality that Microsoft introduced in limited capacity last year across multiple mobile platforms, you can use your smartphone or tablet to change channels with a no-look flicking motion. (For more granular control, SmartGlass will eventually be able to turn your phone into a skeuomorphic remote control, able to emulate any other control device.)</i><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>EDIT2: Some more details in this B&C article: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493631-Microsoft_Doubles_Down_on_TV_with_New_Xbox_One_.php" >www.broadcastingcable.com/articl&middot;&middot;&middot;One_.php</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>The CEA officially filed its challenge with the FCC today:<br><br><b>CEA Challenges Charter's FCC Set-Top Waiver<br>Says Media Bureau decision is illegal and sets dangerous precedent</b><br>By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - May 20, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493602-CEA_Challenges_Charter_s_FCC_Set_Top_Waiver.php" >www.broadcastingcable.com/articl&middot;&middot;&middot;iver.php</A><br> </p></div>TiVo has joined the CEA now in challenging the FCC's conditional waiver they gave to Charter:<br><br><b>TiVo Asks Bureau to Rethink Charter Waiver<br>Says it needs to add guarantees that it is not creating de facto downloadable security system without any notice or opportunity for comment</b><br>By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - May 21, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493622-TiVo_Asks_Bureau_to_Rethink_Charter_Waiver.php" >www.broadcastingcable.com/articl&middot;&middot;&middot;iver.php</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>Well, it looks like Microsoft may be setting up their new Xbox as a cable STB replacement:<br><br><b>Microsoft Fires Xbox Bullet at Cable's STB</b><br>By Mari Silbey, Light Reading Cable  - May 20, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/gaming-consoles/microsoft-fires-xbox-bullet-at-cables-stb/240155235" >www.lightreading.com/gaming-cons&middot;&middot;&middot;40155235</A><br><br>Also see: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/microsoft-updates-xbox-as-apple-to-facebook-gain-in-games.html" >www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-2&middot;&middot;&middot;mes.html</A><br> </p></div>OK, well, maybe not so much as a replacement:<br>   <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR></i>And separately, in its ongoing dance with service providers, Microsoft may also be pursuing an HDMI pass-through feature that would allow it to overlay its own Xbox UI (user interface) on a cable video feed.</i><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>From GigaOM (<b>What online video and TV fans can expect from Microsoft&#146;s next Xbox -</b> &raquo;<A HREF="http://gigaom.com/2013/05/20/next-xbox-preview/" >gigaom.com/2013/05/20/next-xbox-preview/</A> ):<br>   <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR></i><b>Live TV, courtesy of your cable box</b><br><br>Leaks of key documents about the next Xbox&#146;s hardware have shown that the device will come with two HDMI ports: One to connect the Xbox to your TV, <u>and one to connect your cable box to the Xbox.</u> That&#146;s the same setup used by Google TV and the latest Slingbox, and it allows Microsoft to access your live TV programming and overlay it with its own programming guide, widgets and apps.<br><br><b>Why this matters:</b> Microsoft wants users to always consume TV through the Xbox &#151; even if the actual TV programming comes from traditional cable, and not an Xbox Live app. This shows how important TV has become for the Xbox, but the somewhat cumbersome setup also goes to show how complicated it is for even someone like Microsoft to get access to the content that matters most to consumers.</i><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>Anyway, we will find out definitely around 1PM ET today when Microsoft holds their New Xbox reveal event.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>It looks like the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) may appeal the conditional waiver that Charter received from the FCC:<br><br><b>CEA Ponders Challenge to Charter Waiver<br>Critics of the move have until the end of the week to petition for review</b><br>By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - May 16, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493546-CEA_Ponders_Challenge_to_Charter_Waiver.php" >www.broadcastingcable.com/articl&middot;&middot;&middot;iver.php</A><br> </p></div>The CEA officially filed its challenge with the FCC today:<br><br><b>CEA Challenges Charter's FCC Set-Top Waiver<br>Says Media Bureau decision is illegal and sets dangerous precedent</b><br>By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - May 20, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493602-CEA_Challenges_Charter_s_FCC_Set_Top_Waiver.php" >www.broadcastingcable.com/articl&middot;&middot;&middot;iver.php</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/701677" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=701677');">SpHeRe31459</a>:</said><p>I do think a proper industry standard downloadable security model is where everything is headed at this point.<br><br>It would also let people use things like an Xbox as a proper STB with the right secure app, etc.<br> </p></div>Well, it looks like Microsoft may be setting up their new Xbox as a cable STB replacement:<br><br><b>Microsoft Fires Xbox Bullet at Cable's STB</b><br>By Mari Silbey, Light Reading Cable  - May 20, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/gaming-consoles/microsoft-fires-xbox-bullet-at-cables-stb/240155235" >www.lightreading.com/gaming-cons&middot;&middot;&middot;40155235</A><br><br>Also see: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-20/microsoft-updates-xbox-as-apple-to-facebook-gain-in-games.html" >www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-2&middot;&middot;&middot;mes.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrDrew posted : A new retail device that works with cable encryption would be great, but chances are slim to none if only Charter and one other smaller cable company are supporting it. It's another CableCard or tru2way, but with a MUCH smaller possible user base it could work with. Even Charter will take a few years to support it across it's entire footprint. Nobody retail would want to deal with that support headache and cost. <br><small>--<br>Two is one, one is none. If it's important, have a back up... <A HREF="http://stopthecap.com/2010/12/27/hawaiian-telcom-phone-lines-and-dsl-broadband-go-dead-for-days-because-it-rained/">99.999% availability just isn't enough sometimes.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : One condition of the waiver clearly states that if Charter can get a retail box out there using their DCAS, they don't have to allow new card installs.  Not sure how much more clearly this can be said.<br><br>See sections 64 and 65:<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.fcc.gov/document/charter-communications-inc-waiver-section-761204a1" >www.fcc.gov/document/charter-com&middot;&middot;&middot;761204a1</A><br><br>For the tl;dr crowd, here is the pertinent wording:<br><br><i>Before a third party retail downloadable device is available, Charter customers can purchase <br>new CableCARD retail devices and receive CableCARDs from Charter. After the third party retail downloadable <br>devices are available, Charter will no longer be required to distribute new CableCARDs for new CableCARD <br>devices (though they must ensure through simulcrypt that previously purchased CableCARD devices can still <br>operate on Charter systems) but customers will have the downloadable retail option available.</i>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrDrew posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>What part of 'new Cablecard installs' did you not read?  I didn't say that existing ones wouldn't be supported, that's stupid.</p></div> I think other existing FCC rules still require support for CableCards... including self-install by customers for boxes they can buy at retail. A waiver for a integrated security box doesn't change that.<br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>How long should the CEA wait for an industry standard without cards?  A true standard to replace cards, not one-offs by Cablevision and Charter.  That's the problem.<br> </p></div>I don't think the video providers or CEA are waiting... they've been working together to create TV Everywhere. It's adoption by ALL parties (video providers, broadcasters, equipment makers, advertisers, consumers, etc.) involved is expanding. All sides got tired of the FCC moving slow and changing rules that screwed them every few years. Is it some sort of official IEEE or SCTE standard that the FCC can adopt? no, but that hasn't stopped it's adoption and use by just about every facet of video delivery.<br><br>I won't be surprised if, in the next year or two, one of the video providers starts offering their customers a small cable box built around a cable modem, Android based OS, and HDMI output that uses a TV Everywhere app or menu of TV Everywhere apps to provide the channels. It could completely eliminate the reliance on legacy broadcast QAM based video delivery, allowing a provider to start offering a complete IPTV product. No need for CableCard on that thing.<br><small>--<br>Two is one, one is none. If it's important, have a back up... <A HREF="http://stopthecap.com/2010/12/27/hawaiian-telcom-phone-lines-and-dsl-broadband-go-dead-for-days-because-it-rained/">99.999% availability just isn't enough sometimes.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : What part of 'new Cablecard installs' did you not read?  I didn't say that existing ones wouldn't be supported, that's stupid.<br><br>How long should the CEA wait for an industry standard without cards?  A true standard to replace cards, not one-offs by Cablevision and Charter.  That's the problem.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrDrew posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>They should, because if this waiver succeeds it could mean the end of new Cablecard installs on Charter, without an industry standard to replace it.   All they have to do is commission some retail box that no one will buy and that will be the end of it.<br><br>Others will follow.<br> </p></div>Why would it mean the end of CableCard when a few hundred thousand of their own boxes still use it?<br><br>How long should the cable companies wait for progress on a 3 year old proposal by the FCC before moving on?<br><small>--<br>Two is one, one is none. If it's important, have a back up... <A HREF="http://stopthecap.com/2010/12/27/hawaiian-telcom-phone-lines-and-dsl-broadband-go-dead-for-days-because-it-rained/">99.999% availability just isn't enough sometimes.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : It looks like the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) may appeal the conditional waiver that Charter received from the FCC:<br><br><b>CEA Ponders Challenge to Charter Waiver<br>Critics of the move have until the end of the week to petition for review</b><br>By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - May 16, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/493546-CEA_Ponders_Challenge_to_Charter_Waiver.php" >www.broadcastingcable.com/articl&middot;&middot;&middot;iver.php</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[DrDrew posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>Bottom line is that it takes a partnership between the CE industry and cable, and I'm not sure that will happen without FCC guidance.<br> </p></div>It's already happening with "TV Everywhere". It's on TVs, PCs, phones, set top boxes, etc...<br><br>The biggest hold up is channel owners allowing broadcast rights by IP.<br><small>--<br>Two is one, one is none. If it's important, have a back up... <A HREF="http://stopthecap.com/2010/12/27/hawaiian-telcom-phone-lines-and-dsl-broadband-go-dead-for-days-because-it-rained/">99.999% availability just isn't enough sometimes.</a></small>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : Spoken like the cable-friendly site that it's on - let the industry work it out yada yada yada.  That's what tru2way was supposed to be about too, and we saw how widely that got adopted when cable wanted to force their software on CE devices.<br><br>Bottom line is that it takes a partnership between the CE industry and cable, and I'm not sure that will happen without FCC guidance.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : FYI - Leslie Ellis's "Translation Please" blog entry for this week discusses the Charter waiver:<br><br><b>What the Charter Waiver Means to Cable<br>MSO Can Now Deploy Boxes with Built-in Security</b><br>By Leslie Ellis, Multichannel News - April 29, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.multichannel.com/blogs/translation-please/what-charter-waiver-means-cable" >www.multichannel.com/blogs/trans&middot;&middot;&middot;ns-cable</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : We're talking about Charter using their own downloadable standard which could mean Cablecard users get shafted eventually, not whether CE devices properly comply with Cablecard.  Nobody makes Cablecard TVs anymore so that's irrelevant, and as you said the current CE devices supporting cards (Tivo, Ceton, SiliconDust) generally work fine with them.<br><br>This discussion is about the future without cards, and the current lack of an industry standard to get there.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[PGHammer posted : There ARE devices that actually support CableCARD properly -why should the standard die because TVs fail to support it properly?<br>Data point - I got a Tivo Premiere (specifically to use as an HD STB - not a subscriber to the Tivo service, and no plans to use it) and already had a CableCARD (an M-card, to be precise, and one that NEVER paired to the HDTV I originally bought it for, a Philips 423PF7320A/37, apparently due to firmware issues).  When the display failed, I replaced the Philips with a 40" Sony BRAVIA LED HDTV (which does NOT support CableCARD, but does support ClearQAM).  I went and bought the Premiere as opposed to leasing an STB (picked up the Premiere from Amazon for $137.22 with free shipping -this is $13 less than directly from Tivo and $23 less than Best Buy - the closest local big-box retailer).  Setting up the Premiere was what any CableCARD install should be - the pairing was as painless as it gets.  (It even displayed the proper toll-free number for Comcast - I was up and paired in ninety minutes - the extra time was due to having to move the paired premiere to another room to download the program guide as I do NOT have an Ethernet cable in my bedroom, where the Premiere roosts.)  So how is it that a majority of TV makers in the CEA (Tivo Inc. is also a member of the CEA) muck it up, while Tivo gets it right?]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SpHeRe31459 posted : That must be what I read then. I've read too many articles on the subject all back to back yesterday...  ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/701677" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=701677');">SpHeRe31459</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>The other problem with this waiver is that if Charter gets even one CE manufacturer to handle their DCAS at retail, they can cut off new installs of Cablecard.</p></div> <br>Interesting, I missed that, for Cablevision they made them say they'd support CableCARD indefinitely... <br> </p></div>Well, Charter is required to support all <u>currently in-use/provisioned</u> CableCards indefinitely also:<br><br>"<i>Charter must also support the CableCARD indefinitely, including self-installation, and in switched digital video deployments, among other requirements.</i><br><br>Though, just as  GTFan <A HREF="/useremail/u/1118643"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> said, they may stop all <u>new</u> installs if:<br><br>"...<i>a third-party device compatible with the MSO&#146;s downloadable security system is available for purchase at retail.</i>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SpHeRe31459 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>The other problem with this waiver is that if Charter gets even one CE manufacturer to handle their DCAS at retail, they can cut off new installs of Cablecard.</p></div> <br>Interesting, I missed that, for Cablevision they made them say they'd support CableCARD indefinitely... <br><br>However, realistically, there aren't any retail devices aside from TiVo, and we know where they stand on all of this. So this will almost certainly be just an internal MSO thing until such time it is officially adopted as the next conditional access method or it isn't.<br><br><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>And let's not even get into what should have been the real answer, which is the FCC having all MSOs (not just cable) agreeing on a proposal like AllVid so consumers could buy their own STBs/TVs/DVRs and have them work with any provider. </p></div>Well of course as I said before I agree with this, the real goal should be something like AllVid from a proper open standards body.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : The other problem with this waiver is that if Charter gets even one CE manufacturer to handle their DCAS at retail, they can cut off new installs of Cablecard.  Which essentially means no new Tivos on Charter unless they bow to whatever Charter comes up with, and Windows Media Center HTPCs will no longer be an option since MS has abandoned dev on WMC.<br><br>And let's not even get into what should have been the real answer, which is the FCC having all MSOs (not just cable) agreeing on a proposal like AllVid so consumers could buy their own STBs/TVs/DVRs and have them work with any provider.<br><br>This is a very bad precedent for a Cablecard successor, but at least it's just a two-year waiver so FCC can see what the impact will be.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SpHeRe31459 posted : Yep. Two key points from that article...<br><br>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>If the FCC turns this into a formal, proposed rulemaking, it may take another look at downloadable security and perhaps flirt with Cablevision's particular implementation, which uses the NDS Ltd. Key Ladder (KLAD) and the NDS VideoGuard conditional access system. <br><br>Likewise, sources say Cablevision is eager to push adoption of its soft security system to other MSOs, and is even considering spinning the effort into an independent entity that would handle technology licensing and other key operational tasks. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>  <BLOCKQUOTE><SMALL>quote:</SMALL><HR>KLAD, designed by NDS to accommodate other vendors' security systems, has recently emerged as a candidate to become a Society of Cable Telecommunications Engineers (SCTE) standard. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><br><br>I can't tell what if anything has happened with the open standard version of the KLAD called Open Media System (OMS) Key Ladder since the SCTE keeps most things private, but there was a work group formed in late 2011 for it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/701677" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=701677');">SpHeRe31459</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>The problem here is that this is Charter-specific.  I think we all agree that Cablecard should die but the devil's in the details to get to an industry-wide standard.  DLNA w/DTCP-IP is a decent bet but right now the user interface for that is hideous.<br> </p></div>Not Charter specific, Cablevision uses it too (since the Charter CEO was Cablevision's COO when he implemented it there first). And technically it's available for anyone to adopt. So it's the right idea, but not quite there yet since of course it's being created by only one/two MSOs and not by a standards body like CableLabs.<br> </p></div>Yes, see this January 2011 LRC article about that:<br><br><b>Cablevision Makes its Security Deadline</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - January 20, 2011<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/content-protection/cablevision-makes-its-security-deadline/240128273" >www.lightreading.com/content-pro&middot;&middot;&middot;40128273</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SpHeRe31459 posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>The problem here is that this is Charter-specific.  I think we all agree that Cablecard should die but the devil's in the details to get to an industry-wide standard.  DLNA w/DTCP-IP is a decent bet but right now the user interface for that is hideous.<br> </p></div>Not Charter specific, Cablevision uses it too (since the Charter CEO was Cablevision's COO when he implemented it there first). And technically it's available for anyone to adopt. So it's the right idea, but not quite there yet since of course it's being created by only one/two MSOs and not by a standards body like CableLabs.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : The problem here is that this is Charter-specific.  I think we all agree that Cablecard should die but the devil's in the details to get to an industry-wide standard.  DLNA w/DTCP-IP is a decent bet but right now the user interface for that is hideous.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[SpHeRe31459 posted : I do think a proper industry standard downloadable security model is where everything is headed at this point.<br><br>It would also let people use things like an Xbox as a proper STB with the right secure app, etc.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>Charter's response (&raquo;<A HREF="http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022078929" >apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?&middot;&middot;&middot;22078929</A>) to the CEA's objections to their set-top security integration ban waiver request, from today's Light Reading Cable news round-up article:<br><br><b>Charter Strikes Back at the CEA</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - December 14, 2012<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=227968&site=lr_cable" >www.lightreading.com/document.as&middot;&middot;&middot;lr_cable</A><br><blockquote><i>Charter Communications Inc. rejected assertions from the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) and others that a chip the cable operator wants to use for a new downloadable security system in digital set-top boxes is proprietary and will support only Charter's service and conditional access system. Charter is seeking a two-year waiver from the July 2007 set-top security integration ban so it can deploy dual security boxes containing silicon that would support the future downloadable security system alongside the traditional integrated conditional access system. Once Charter activates the downloadable system, it intends to use a "simulcrypt" system that will also allow it to support televisions and TiVo Inc. boxes purchased at retail that use CableCARD security.<br><br>In its reply comments at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) , Charter said the downloadable chip would rely on the same "commodity chips" that Cablevision Systems Corp. now uses for its downloadable system, and that the silicon can support security systems other than the one Charter wants to deploy. Cablevision's system, like the one being proposed by Charter, relies on the NDS (now Cisco Systems Inc.) key ladder as the "hardware root of trust," which will be offered on an open, royalty-free basis for use by other retail "host" (i.e. set-tops, televisions, and other connected devices), the MSO added. Charter intends to use its downloadable system as a key component of its all-digital video migration. The CEA wants the FCC to reject the request for temporary waiver and instead pursue a CableCARD successor called AllVid that would be applied to all pay-TV providers.</i></blockquote><br> </p></div>FYI - Charter finally received their requested waiver to deploy their proposed downloadable security system:<br><br><b>Charter Scores Set-Top Waiver<br>FCC Grants Two-Year Waiver That Paves Way for MSO to Deploy Downloadable Security</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - April 18, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.multichannel.com/technology/charter-scores-set-top-waiver/142813" >www.multichannel.com/technology/&middot;&middot;&middot;r/142813</A><br><br>EDIT: The FCC waiver document: &raquo;<A HREF="http://transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/2013/db0418/DA-13-788A1.pdf" >transition.fcc.gov/Daily_Release&middot;&middot;&middot;88A1.pdf</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>An article on the LRC site about Broadcom introducing their latest DTA chipset, the BCM7576, that will be used to deploy the proposed E-DTAs, which will allow cable companies to meet one of the conditions they agreed to for allowing encryption of their their digital basic-tier channels.<br><br>Once these E-DTAs become available, you'll likely see the basic-tier encryption begin rolling out quickly.<br><br><b>New DTA Will Extend Cable TV to Retail Devices</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - March 11, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/internet-video/new-dta-will-extend-cable-tv-to-retail-devices/240150431" >www.lightreading.com/internet-vi&middot;&middot;&middot;40150431</A><br><br>EDIT: The press release on it: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s746990" >www.broadcom.com/press/release.p&middot;&middot;&middot;=s746990</A><br> </p></div>Don't know if these E-DTAs could possibly be available yet*, but early yesterday, articles started to pop up in the main-stream media (apparently led off by this one on GigaOM &raquo;<A HREF="http://gigaom.com/2013/04/15/comcast-basic-cable-encryption/" >gigaom.com/2013/04/15/comcast-ba&middot;&middot;&middot;ryption/</A>) about Comcast beginning to notify customers in some markets that it is going to encrypt the Limited Basic channels.<br><br>I was wondering which markets have (already) sent out these notices yet, so please reply if you have received one.<br><br>* - EDIT: From this article last week on the MCN site, it does appear that a limited number of E-DTAs will soon be available:<br><b>Comcast Begins to Connect to Boxee's Cloud DVR<br>MSO Starts Limited Offer of E-DTAs That Let Boxee's New Video Device Access an Encrypted Form of Comcast's Basic TV Tier</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Multichannel News - April 11 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.multichannel.com/cable-operators/comcast-begins-connect-boxees-cloud-dvr/142668" >www.multichannel.com/cable-opera&middot;&middot;&middot;r/142668</A><br><br>A quote from this article: "you should start to see the E-DTAs begin to appear over the next month"]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p><div class="bquote"><said>said by here :</said><p>Here in Portland, Oregon, all the NTSC channels have disappeared today. I guess this is part of the change?<br>:<br>Now every NTSC channel shows a reddish slide saying "your TV isn't ready for comcast's digital network etc". Rescan didn't change anything.<br> </p></div>Yes, according to this article from back in January in the Oregonian &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2013/01/comcast_will_require_basic_cab.html" >www.oregonlive.com/silicon-fores&middot;&middot;&middot;cab.html</A>  about Comcast's total switchover to an all-digital TV system in Southwest Washington and Oregon, you were the last area to lose those analog channels: "The east part of the Portland region is last, with a March 12 deadline."<br><br>If you have any newer HDTVs, they should still be able to receive the basic-tier digital channels with their Clear QAM digital tuners for now, until Comcast starts encrypting them sometime later on.<br><br>Otherwise, for older analog (NTSC) TV sets and VCRs, you would need at least a DTA to use them now.<br><br>See also: &raquo;<A HREF="http://seattletimes.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2018925960_comcast_all_customers_will_nee.html" >seattletimes.com/html/technology&middot;&middot;&middot;nee.html</A><br> </p></div>An update on what's currently happening in the Seattle area:<br><br><b>Comcast adding hurdles to most-basic cable-TV service</b><br>By Brier Dudley, The Seattle Times - March 31, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/2020672173_briercolumn91xml.html" >seattletimes.com/html/businesste&middot;&middot;&middot;xml.html</A>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : In today&#146;s cable news roundup article on the LRC site &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/internet-video/ivi-finally-swallows-its-poison/240151081" >www.lightreading.com/internet-vi&middot;&middot;&middot;40151081</A> was this item:<br><blockquote><i>Shares in Entropic Communications Inc. dropped more than 8 percent Monday after the chipmaker slashed first-quarter guidance because a pay-TV provider changed its deployment plans for a new class of HD-capable digital transport adapters (DTAs), leaving Entropic with excess inventory. &#133; Entropic, which counts Broadcom Corp. as a key competitor, didn't identify the MSO in question, but Comcast Corp. is among those that are in early-stage HD-DTA deployments.</i></blockquote><br>I wonder if this is Comcast deciding to deploy only Ethernet-enabled HD-DTAs (E-DTAs) now using that new BCM7576 chipset from Broadcom?<br><br>EDIT: From an Chicago Tribune article about this &raquo;<A HREF="http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-03-18/business/sns-rt-us-entropic-outlookbre92h0l2-20130318_1_set-top-box-hd-content-hd-dta" >articles.chicagotribune.com/2013&middot;&middot;&middot;t-hd-dta</A> it looks like it could be just Comcast delaying the nationwide rollout of HD-DTAs:<br><blockquote><i>Benchmark Co said it believes the service provider delaying set-top box orders is Comcast Corp.<br><br>"Because of the delayed rollout of these boxes to basic cable subscribers, it will take a few quarters for HD-DTA set-top box suppliers to burn through Entropic inventory," the brokerage said.</i></blockquote>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>FYI - Just came across this new webpage on Comcast's Support site entitled "Encryption of Limited Basic Services" &raquo;<A HREF="http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/cable-tv/limited-basic-encryption/" >customer.comcast.com/help-and-su&middot;&middot;&middot;ryption/</A><br><br>At the end of that page, it says that (currently) the E-DTAs will only be available for Comcast customers with Boxee TV devices.<br> </p></div>BTW - that "DLNA Specifications" link &raquo;<A HREF="http://media2.comcast.net/anon.comcastonline2/support/help/faqs/boxee/Comcast-SP-HDuDTA20-DLNA-CIG-I01Public-130314Issued.pdf" >media2.comcast.net/anon.comcasto&middot;&middot;&middot;sued.pdf</A> at the end of that page is now working and brings up the latest version of Comcast's "DLNA Client Implementation Guide" which "<i>describes [the] technical requirements ... that a DLNA client should implement to interact and interoperate with an Ethernet enabled High Definition universal Digital Transport Adapter, or EHD-uDTA</i>" ... providing " <i>subscribers with the ability to stream content to a DLNA capable display or player device over an Ethernet interface" <br>:<br>The EHD-uDTA provides the standard services of an HD DTA with the added ability to stream content out of an Ethernet port. The streaming of the currently tuned channel out of the Ethernet port is done according to DLNA and OCAP HNP specifications.</i>"]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2013 13:49:32 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>An article on the LRC site about Broadcom introducing their latest DTA chipset, the BCM7576, that will be used to deploy the proposed E-DTAs, which will allow cable companies to meet one of the conditions they agreed to for allowing encryption of their their digital basic-tier channels.<br><br>Once these E-DTAs become available, you'll likely see the basic-tier encryption begin rolling out quickly.<br><br><b>New DTA Will Extend Cable TV to Retail Devices</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - March 11, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/internet-video/new-dta-will-extend-cable-tv-to-retail-devices/240150431" >www.lightreading.com/internet-vi&middot;&middot;&middot;40150431</A><br> </p></div>FYI - Just came across this new webpage on Comcast's Support site entitled "Encryption of Limited Basic Services" &raquo;<A HREF="http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/cable-tv/limited-basic-encryption/" >customer.comcast.com/help-and-su&middot;&middot;&middot;ryption/</A><br><br>At the end of that page, it says that (currently) the E-DTAs will only be available for Comcast customers with Boxee TV devices.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:19:47 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by here :</said><p>Here in Portland, Oregon, all the NTSC channels have disappeared today. I guess this is part of the change?<br>:<br>Now every NTSC channel shows a reddish slide saying "your TV isn't ready for comcast's digital network etc". Rescan didn't change anything.<br> </p></div>Yes, according to this article from back in January in the Oregonian &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf/2013/01/comcast_will_require_basic_cab.html" >www.oregonlive.com/silicon-fores&middot;&middot;&middot;cab.html</A>  about Comcast's total switchover to an all-digital TV system in Southwest Washington and Oregon, you were the last area to lose those analog channels: "The east part of the Portland region is last, with a March 12 deadline."<br><br>If you have any newer HDTVs, they should still be able to receive the basic-tier digital channels with their Clear QAM digital tuners for now, until Comcast starts encrypting them sometime later on.<br><br>Otherwise, for older analog (NTSC) TV sets and VCRs, you would need at least a DTA to use them now.<br><br>See also: &raquo;<A HREF="http://seattletimes.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2018925960_comcast_all_customers_will_nee.html" >seattletimes.com/html/technology&middot;&middot;&middot;nee.html</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:34:09 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[anon posted : Here in Portland, Oregon, all the NTSC channels have disappeared today. I guess this is part of the change?<br><br>(I have comcast internet, but not comcast tv, but was getting the HD, DTV, NTSC over-the-air channels, etc.)<br><br>Now every NTSC channel shows a reddish slide saying "your TV isn't ready for comcast's digital network etc". Rescan didn't change anything.<br><br>Bummer, now I can't record anything on my old VCR. Used to be a comcast TV customer, but it just costs too much.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Tue, 12 Mar 2013 16:36:14 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : An article on the LRC site about Broadcom introducing their latest DTA chipset, the BCM7576, that will be used to deploy the proposed E-DTAs, which will allow cable companies to meet one of the conditions they agreed to for allowing encryption of their their digital basic-tier channels.<br><br>Once these E-DTAs become available, you'll likely see the basic-tier encryption begin rolling out quickly.<br><br><b>New DTA Will Extend Cable TV to Retail Devices</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - March 11, 2013<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/internet-video/new-dta-will-extend-cable-tv-to-retail-devices/240150431" >www.lightreading.com/internet-vi&middot;&middot;&middot;40150431</A><br><br>EDIT: The press release on it: &raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s746990" >www.broadcom.com/press/release.p&middot;&middot;&middot;=s746990</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:55:53 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1807615" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1807615');">telcodad</a>:</said><p>Any idea then, what these "commodity chips" are that Cablevision currently uses for its downloadable system?<br> </p></div>I think I found some info on it, they may be using a new "open" downloadable conditional access system (DCAS) that uses the NDS "key ladder" (KLAD) and VideoGuard conditional access system:<br><br><b>Cablevision Scores Set-Top Waiver Extension</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - January 20, 2009<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=170639&site=lr_cable" >www.lightreading.com/document.as&middot;&middot;&middot;lr_cable</A><br><br><b>Cablevision May Take Security for a Spin(off)</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - December 13, 2010<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=201790&site=lr_cable" >www.lightreading.com/document.as&middot;&middot;&middot;lr_cable</A><br><br><b>Cablevision Makes its Security Deadline</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - January 20, 2011<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=203401&site=lr_cable" >www.lightreading.com/document.as&middot;&middot;&middot;lr_cable</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 22:27:59 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>That is irrelevant to the point, which is that any new chip is by definition not a standard until CableLabs or the FCC says it is.<br> </p></div>Any idea then, what these "commodity chips" are that Cablevision currently uses for its downloadable system?]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:53:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : That is irrelevant to the point, which is that any new chip is by definition not a standard until CableLabs or the FCC says it is.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:14:24 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : <div class="bquote"><said>said by <a href="/profile/1118643" onClick="this.blur(); return popup(event,'/uidpop?ajh=1&uid=1118643');">GTFan</a>:</said><p>If it's a chip used by Charter STBs for their own downloadable security it's not an open cable standard, period.  They're just trying to confuse the issue.<br> </p></div>Well, it sounds like the chip Charter is talking about is not currently in use by them:<br><blockquote><i>... that a chip the cable operator <u>wants to use</u> for a new downloadable security system in digital set-top boxes ...<br>:<br>Charter said the downloadable chip <u>would</u> rely on the same "commodity chips" that Cablevision Systems Corp. now uses for its downloadable system, and that the silicon can support security systems other than the one Charter wants to deploy.</i></blockquote>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:20:08 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[GTFan posted : If it's a chip used by Charter STBs for their own downloadable security it's not an open cable standard, period.  They're just trying to confuse the issue.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:09:17 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : Charter's response (&raquo;<A HREF="http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022078929" >apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?&middot;&middot;&middot;22078929</A>) to the CEA's objections to their set-top security integration ban waiver request, from today's Light Reading Cable news round-up article:<br><br><b>Charter Strikes Back at the CEA</b><br>By Jeff Baumgartner, Light Reading Cable - December 14, 2012<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=227968&site=lr_cable" >www.lightreading.com/document.as&middot;&middot;&middot;lr_cable</A><br><blockquote><i>Charter Communications Inc. rejected assertions from the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) and others that a chip the cable operator wants to use for a new downloadable security system in digital set-top boxes is proprietary and will support only Charter's service and conditional access system. Charter is seeking a two-year waiver from the July 2007 set-top security integration ban so it can deploy dual security boxes containing silicon that would support the future downloadable security system alongside the traditional integrated conditional access system. Once Charter activates the downloadable system, it intends to use a "simulcrypt" system that will also allow it to support televisions and TiVo Inc. boxes purchased at retail that use CableCARD security.<br><br>In its reply comments at the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) , Charter said the downloadable chip would rely on the same "commodity chips" that Cablevision Systems Corp. now uses for its downloadable system, and that the silicon can support security systems other than the one Charter wants to deploy. Cablevision's system, like the one being proposed by Charter, relies on the NDS (now Cisco Systems Inc.) key ladder as the "hardware root of trust," which will be offered on an open, royalty-free basis for use by other retail "host" (i.e. set-tops, televisions, and other connected devices), the MSO added. Charter intends to use its downloadable system as a key component of its all-digital video migration. The CEA wants the FCC to reject the request for temporary waiver and instead pursue a CableCARD successor called AllVid that would be applied to all pay-TV providers.</i><</blockquote>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:03:22 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : A threat to OTA TV is the FCC's desire to free-up spectrum for wireless communications, at the expense of what little is allotted now for TV transmissions:<br><br><b>California Congress Members to FCC: Preserve Free TV<br>Point to large and growing contingent of over-the-air only viewers, including diverse populations</b><br>By John Eggerton, Broadcasting & Cable - December 12, 2012<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/490839-California_Congress_Members_to_FCC_Preserve_Free_TV.php" >www.broadcastingcable.com/articl&middot;&middot;&middot;e_TV.php</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:06:58 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[telcodad posted : Starting tomorrow (Dec. 10th), cable operators can begin encrypting their digital basic service tiers (after providing customers 30 days advance notice):<br><br><b>Cable subscribers are about to get a sneaky fee</b><br>By Herb Weisbaum, NBC News - December 9, 2012<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.nbcnews.com/business/cable-subscribers-are-about-get-sneaky-fee-1C7476067" >www.nbcnews.com/business/cable-s&middot;&middot;&middot;C7476067</A><br><br>From the article:<br><blockquote><i>If you have cable service, you probably have at least one set-top box. On Monday, a federal rule change takes effect that could eventually force you to rent more cable boxes.<br>:<br>The Federal Communications Commission had prohibited the encryption of basic cable since 1994. But in October, the commission voted to allow it, starting on Dec. 10.<br>:<br>None of the six major cable companies in the country has announced a date to encrypt basic channels.<br>:<br>When asked what it planned to do, Comcast, the country&#146;s largest cable service provider, said in a statement:<br><br>&#147;Currently, we do not have any announcements to make. Should we plan any changes in the future, we will notify any impacted customers well ahead of time.&#148;  <br>:<br>Before a cable company can encrypt basic service, it must give customers 30 days advance notice. The FCC rule requires them to give two free converter boxes to customers with only basic service for two years and one free box to everyone else for one year. After that, the cable companies could sell or rent the boxes.<br><br>The FCC&#146;s decision does not require those free converter boxes to deliver high-definition signals. For basic service in HD, customers would have to rent an HD box which could cost as much as $10 a month. <br><br>Consumer advocates say these box rentals will become a new revenue stream for cable companies.</i></blockquote>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:02:38 EDT</pubDate>
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