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[Raiding] DragonSoul Raid Progression Thread (4.3)

25 man - 1 shot the first 2 bosses. 3 shot the next 2. On to Ultraxion tonight.

Why the hell does it only drop 2 tokens in 25 man if I hear it drops 1-2 tokens in 10 man? WTF doesn't seem right. It should be dropping 3-5 if that's the case.
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4/8 night one. We'll get Ultraxion tonight when the DC boss allows people to push buttons.

The official blue response to 2 tokens in 25 man is "do LFR to shore up gaps in gear". True story.

its a good response, IMO. Blizz and Casuals need reasons for l33ts to run LFR to keep it going (like we needed l33ts to grace us for timed ZA runs).

edit: responding here to minimize "BS posts" in this thread. I derive my assessment from Blizzard's explanation for the Valor Points nerf (how many you get per raid boss kill). They want people doing raids to get gear. They want people using LFR to fill in gear gaps rather than just amassing a ton of VP and buying things from the same one-time run of a raid dungeon. It also keeps the MMO in WoW, IMO (just wanted to string a bunch of acronyms together).

It does fly counter to the "do what you want" game style they're espousing for MoP if they're trying this as a pilot program though.

Some people want to raid with their uber-guild then GTFO the game. If you're in a serious raid guild, you can't avoid running content that is either boring or frustrating to you to cap your VP to get your VP-only pieces quicker so that you can help your progression.

EDIT: PHRASING

reply to nickdres

I think Immer's response was probably the real reason. "Shit guys if all we have are LFD rangers in the LFR, this won't work! how do we get the good guys in here?"

Here's the full quote from Daxxarri in response to this same question (retyped from phone):

Thanks for the post, back on topic

Did anyone get any shots in on Ultraxion+ last night (top guild on my realm is 7/8 already) so it can't be too hard, is the L2R strat accurate?
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Here's the final bullet,
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reply to JB
We managed to do 4/8 (25 man) in our first 3 hours of raiding, we'll certainly try the next 4 tonight, we hoping we down 3 and work on DW on Thursday.

Bit dissapointed on only 2 T13 drops instead of 3.

Some guilds in our realm already have 8/8 (and they didn't lose any time spamming trade with the achieve)

I haven't seen any of the new mounts just yet.. (new drake drop rate is as low as the fire bird)

reply to JB
We did 3 pulls on Ultrax. I'm imagine the L2R strat is fine (I read the icy-veins one. Icy-veins.com works really well with instapaper.com if you can access that site btw).

So easy a trained monkey can do it. Everyone just has to push the button at the same time. (This btw is guaranteed not to occur). Also, note that while Hour of Twilight is always a 5 second cast, Fading Light can last a random amount of time from 5 to 10 seconds, and clicking Heroic Will early will kill you.

Dominos hid the button for one of our members, so keep /click ExtraActionButton1 handy as a macro for hitting Heroic Will. Bartender handles the button well; it's its own action bar, so BT will allow you to just move it wherever.

Default UI is fine as well of course.

No word on stuff like Elv, Lui, or Tuk.

ALSO that trash is annoying as shit and takes an hour. Drakes constantly spawning and filling the platform with fire.

If there's a way to speed it up, I'd like to know. On the plus side, the Heroic Will button shows up during trash (doing nothing important), so you can test it before the fight start.

reply to JB
1 Shot the first 3, then I stepped out to start my 12 hour wait for stage 1 legendary progress. I think the raid 2 shot Hagara, then had a bit of trouble on Ultraxion as we had to bring in an undergeared tank alt since we one tanked the rest of the place for the night. They maybe wiped 5-6 times, then I went back in and 1 shot it(i'd like to tink because of me ) stopped for the night.

Planning on clearing tonight, and clearing H FL for another staff!

reply to JB
My ten man group one shot 3 of the first 4. Had some issues with the ping pong boss Warlord Zon'ozz but got him as well within a few pulls. Ultraxion to 5% our best attempts. Biggest issue on him is getting people to hit the button. We ended up using a macro for some people as some ui mods block the button to the get out of the twilight zone.

/click ExtraActionButton1
 

reply to nickdres
We had issues with those drakes as well. We could taunt them down into melee range but only the ranged could hit them. Melee kept getting EVADE. Annoying as hell to try and tank when all I could do was taunt judge, and wait to toss my shield again.

reply to JB
And 6/8 for week 1. Ultraxion doesn't fuck around with damage at the end, but the healing buffs make the raid frames look silly. Up down up down

Blackhorn was the first fight that felt like a raid fight. That was fun.

Contrary to all the other guides I read:

1. Sappers ARE stunnable. They can be slowed too, and should. RFuckers are fast.
2. Sappers land, throw down a smoke bomb, and then appear like 10 feet from the bridge. Prot warrior on that fight is so hax its not even funny.
3. Melee CAN damage the drakes if they're pulled down.
4. Shockwave requires a very fast reaction to avoid. And it does not dick around. If the boss is below 70% its more or less a 1 shot.

reply to JB
5/8 on first night with only 3 comedy wipes, one each on Zon'ozz, Hagara and Ultraxion.
We managed the ping pong acheivment on Zon'ozz without even trying because we screwed up some of the bounces.
Warmaster fight was the only one that felt worthy of being a final raid tier fight, and we should get that tonight as well.

reply to JB
We also went 5/8 on our first night. We had 1 wipe on ping pong due to the ball travelling through the melee, aparently the ball has to travel a certain distance b4 you can bounce it back. Moved the tank back and killed it. Our raid leader was awesome at calling the buffs on Ultraxion made the fight trivial(not that its is hard to watch a buff and castbar).

Ended the night on the ship had 1 attampt but ran out of time, tonight should be dead. I started the legendary questline too last night, really looking forward to getting on tonight to decypher the code. This morning I still had 2 hours left to wait

All in all I am disappointed so far, no challenge at all! Seems like blizzard now wants, not only all chars to see all content, they now want all chars to see all hc content.

My sub will laps after this patch. I probably will buy it but not till it hits the discount bin. Blizzard is failing.

I think we would have gone further if we had more time, with dc's and such, time was wasted. I know the HC's will probably be silly hard, but i just think blizzard got the tuning a little wrong on the easy mode first 5 bosses. Even the first 4 in ICC were not this faceroll, i dont remember a single tier i have played that the first 4/5 bosses were 1/2 shots.

They are playing to the masses again. Make it easier so even casual raiders can start hc's. In most games you have difficulty settings, most people cant/wont try the hardest setting, why make WOW any different?