Actually, I may have mispoken- with the nerf, any spec of rogue might be able to soak on either difficulty. Twilight Hour damage might be the same in 10 as in 25, just the number of soakers changes. (Icy Veins lists T-Hour as 300k damage in both normal and heroic.) 15 percent nerf makes that 265,000, which sounds about right. Feint = 132,500 damage taken. So basically, a mostly-topped off rogue should be able to feint it, though a PW:S or some other helper wouldn't be a horrendous idea.
I forget what the "max absorb" figure is for mana shield, but you could do the math with these numbers to figure out if you could really HoSaC+Mana shield an arcane mage through HoT.
The nerfs have made a lot of stupid things possible. My dps DK, for example, doesn't even witch to blood presence anymore when soaking H-Mor stomps, and he can soak H-Ult with just AMS. -- "This whole thread needs more nut-punching." -Drew
The "bad" was the mental math on my part, for some reason I was only multiplying the 45 second interval by 2 instead of by 3, so I was thinking the interval was lower than the CoS CD.
So that's my mistake, I thought they were feinting it. I did the feint math to verify that my supposition was possible.
At any rate, JB set me up for that mistake by originally saying it had to be sub rogues, which made me think you had to have elusiveness talented to have cloak available frequently enough. So clearly, it's the shaman's fault.
-- "This whole thread needs more nut-punching." -Drew
Next up alt run thursdays. Hope to get them to heroics next week.
Also we had an argument during H Morchock. 1 tank never moved and had range move from stomp to crystals. The other tank would move the boss closer to the crystal after the stomp. He would do this to ensure that the group would all share stomp and crystal dammage.
Are both ways do able? -- Cigtyme - Alliance - Galakrond - Draneri Arcane Mage GM and RL of Exalted with Chuck Norris (Before damn Commercial) "What the hell man, wipe it, we fricken can't heal this damn thing to death"
our Holy Pally solo healed Yor'sahj HC and Ultra HC last night
I'm impressed. Kudos to your pally.
hey JB, we tried saving the Mana Orb last night... didn't work so well... it died faster than I could tell them to stop, lol. But with an r.shaman and d.priest we had mana regen covered for that first one... so I can definitely see the merits of that strat.
We also opted to allow purple through (grn, purp, blue) for the first time... not nearly as scary in practice as it was in my head. With drew healing (and my priest does pretty well) I was always more comfortable powering through the green buff than exercising restraint on purple... lol. /sigh.
anyway... just wanted to say "thanks, JB" -- Immergruen (resto/kitty) on Nathrezim Server (US) Guild leader for Pride and Ego
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Yeah one of the keys of H Yor is not to overheal, careful big heals, use heals that don't proc the stacks.
Last night we finally downed him after Tuesday's 2+ hours wiping..
It was always our holy pally screwing up, not new recruit but he wasn't on vent, after some inquires of why he was sucking so bad, we find that he wasn't the person that raided with us previously but his brother that was playing his toon.. what the?
Well we replaced him for that fight and one attempt later we downed the boss..
Hagara only 2 wipes, 2 due to this same guy not standing where he was told, we even used one of those spotlights to tell him where.. yeah replaced again and one shot her.
2 wipes on H ultraxion thanks to the button boss, but we finally managed to kill him.. pesky dragon..
I can add this boss of the Heroic kills that won't drop vanquisher tokens.. thanks RNG..
5 weeks of killing Yor = zero 1 week of H ultra = zero Don't really need shoulders, Morchok's have better stats and gem slots than Tier.
Even if Pants of Chest tiers drop, there's the GM and an Officer with way more EPGP than me that will surely take it when they drop (mages both)
A method for controlling the mana orb dps is to have nobody touch it when it first spawns, then have your tank/stay at home dps take it down to 20-30 percent if it's going to be popped for the next wave while the rest of the dps goes to kill the bloods after the next spawn. (if it's not going to be needed, just continue to have nobody deliberately target it.)
Then when you want to kill it early in the next wave, deathgrip it in or put ranged on it or w/e, and it''ll pop in a few seconds. -- "This whole thread needs more nut-punching." -Drew
Well, we had to pick up 6 of our non-regular raiding guildies for our initial 25 try because the merger had to wait a week (they wanted to take one more week to try and get heroic madness as a 10 man team).
I am constantly astonished and how ^%$#ing STUIPID people are. Stand and pound on Yorsaj instead of killing skittles, not knowing how to stack, not knowing how to spread, not knowing how to "GET THE FU@K AWAY FROM ZONOZZ SO THE BALL CAN HIT HIM" even while it is being screamed out in vent.
After two horrid nights where we barely got 3/7, we replaced 3 and we rolled Hagara, Ultrax and Blackhorn. So it's a process, but we're 6/8 first time out as a 25 team.