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Re: FCC: Cablevision now better, thanks to us! Which is better:
A. 100%+ of 25mbps 24/7 for $50/mo
B. 200%+ of 2mbps 24/7 for $500/mo
The FCC report would say B is better.
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said by aannoonn :said by frdrizzt:This "gimmick" is the same thing FIOS does with their speed tiers too. But that seems to be acceptable for whatever reason. Except that all Fios users get >100% of the advertised speed 24/7. That doesn't apply to Cablevision, and with the shared nature of HFC, it never will. That isn't true. This is talking "Average" user speed. The average user gets over 100% speed on Fios, which is great.
I'd actually be interested to see (with all providers) speed test results of speed obtained vs provisioned speeds, instead of advertised speeds. Just a curiosity matter, as obviously it's not something promised. |
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dm145
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Clifton, NJ | reply to SHoTTa35
i check the fios forum every once and a while and there are customers that complain about speed issues
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said by jaa:Which is better:
A. 100%+ of 25mbps 24/7 for $50/mo
B. 200%+ of 2mbps 24/7 for $500/mo
The FCC report would say B is better.
There you go again. Just give us the facts and we can decide. The TRUE delivered speed and the price. Tell us again about your fiber network. |
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 sff
join:1999-07-20
New Rochelle, NY | reply to SHoTTa35
All the marketing that sharing bandwidth with your neighbors is an inherent problem is a load. If it's managed well (split nodes, bonding etc...) it should make no difference. Although Cablevision is probably managing it fair to poor which is the real problem.
FIOS may give you fiber from your house, but somewhere it shares bandwidth with people in your area. If they did not share any bandwidth, they'd have to have a fiber going from my house directly to dslreports.com servers and every other website I visit. The shared connection point is probably on some telephone pole somewhere in your neighborhood. There is no way Verizon is supplying longer lengths of fiber than they need. There is no way the fiber from my house is going all the way to the CO (3 miles away in my case). Depending on Verizon's setup (how many homes to a shared resource) they could eventually have performance problems too. |
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| Agreed. First gen Fios used the BPON Architecture which allowed 622mb/155 amongst 32 users. Verizon only uses 30, leaving a minimum bandwidth of 20/5 if all 30 is on simultaneously.
2nd gen and most of NYC uses GPON which allows 2.4gb/1.2gb amongst 30 users ( VZ standard). The minimum bandwidth amongst 30 users simultaneously would be 80mb/40mb.
If the were to upgrade further, they would go XGPON which allows 10gb/2.4gbs leaving a minimum of 333mb/80mb amongst 30 users simultaneously.
VZ field tested XGPON over existing Fios fiber simultaneously with GPON on the same fiber run.
How does the cable setup work as far as breakdown amongst users? |
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| said by KeepCalling :How does the cable setup work as far as breakdown amongst users?
FCC says it is now providing pretty much the same average peak performance as FiOS. »www.fcc.gov/blog/broadband-speed···g-market
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sff
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New Rochelle, NY | reply to KeepCalling
said by KeepCalling : ...snip (about BPON, GPON and XGPON)...
How does the cable setup work as far as breakdown amongst users?
Great description about Verizon's architectural standards. I guess maintaining that when more then 30 users need connection in an area requires either the addition of another 30 user setup or a longer fiber run to the nearest head end (?) with capacity.
I don't know that much about Cablevision's actual network. But from what I have read, the shared architecture of Cable would probably mean quite a bit more work to maintain a standard of Internet customers to bandwidth. If they used a standard like FIOS, say a 31st person on the block ordered internet, they'd probably have to split the block into two separate head end nodes before the 31st install (or just install it and plan to upgrade later). Splitting the node is quite a bit more work than running a longer fiber connection. In the few years Cablevision had not been coping very well with this (they were tremendously over committed in many areas providing awful internet bandwidth to some customers). Although recently it seems they are splitting nodes quite actively and deploying modems with bonded channels to relieve the loads. |
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Cable can't even come close to Fios' ability to provide 40 Mbps UPLOAD to all users simultaneously. |
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Re: FCC: Cablevision now better, thanks to us! Here are mine, better but they still seem to have issues with stability...
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| said by tmpchaos:I show a drop in the evenings, too.
You have a D3 modem, I have a D2. I would assume more people still have the D2 modems...
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Brooklyn, NY | are you intentionally sticking w/ D2? |
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| said by MxxCon:are you intentionally sticking w/ D2?
For the most part yes, I'm not seeing the necessity for D3 in the long run. OOL is giving out the D3 modems to everyone, right now they are probably well below 50% saturation, but at some point it will tip to over 50%, and nearly everyone will have one. Those with D3 modems now are enjoying improved service due to scarcity, but that won't last as more are converted. I know eventually I'll have to convert too.
To me this is similar to when Boost first came out, only a few people had it and it was perfect for them, but as more people signed up, the service deteriorated... 
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| actually your logic might be kinda wrong. This is why CV implemented that channel hoping for D2 modems. If everyone has D3 modems with 8 channels, there'll be less single lane congestion. So it's serves it better for everyone if everyone had a D3 modem  |
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MxxCon
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Brooklyn, NY | reply to JRW2
but D3 uses 3 freq, and potentially 4, so even at the saturation point it can better re-balance the load and offer you more consistent speeds.
even if not, enjoy faster speeds while they last..
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Ugh, Tradewind, I thought your Ultra speed problems were resolved at one point and it gave me up hopes in complaining to get my speeds fixed. So Ultra users on saturated nodes are just screwed until Cablevision implements a fix... ugh. |
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