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RobNyc
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join:2002-03-06
New York, NY

Lease vs Finance or Own?

I am not a big fan of leasing or financing cars due to the monthly payments. I am a young adult and currently own my first car. Had the luck my dad gave me his Toyota Avalon 2002 to drive when I got my license in 2010 for a few months until I saved up and bought a Salvage title car through a cousin (dealer) who buys/sells cars through Insurance Auction.

I was able to buy a Cadillac STS 2006 black on black 117,xxx fully loaded (nav, 18" wheels, sunroof, etc) for $6,000 in the auction. In total I prob spent another 2k (fixing, salvage inspection in delaware first, tow truck, HIDs, tints, heating sensor, ABS sensor). It's going to be a year this january 1st that I got the car and no problems, can't say how happy I am with this car and the difference in driving compared to my previous one. The car just recently needed both front lower controls arms to be replaced (due to all bad NYC potholes) I got it for $175 shipped and decided to buy a new set of cross-drilled/slotted rotors + brake pads all fours for $240 and got it all installed for $290.

Car currently has 126,xxx miles and I am thinking what should I do, try to sell it, trade it in, or what. I do want a new car AWD since mine is RWD and it wasnt that fun driving in the snow in the past winter. Wanted to know what everyone here can teach me on lease and finance vs owning. I can prob start saving and get a clean title car again through my cousin (because dealers are the worse to deal with from what I hear). I've been looking at the pre-owned vehicles of my interest (kinda feels good to have warranty and not having to depend on my cousin for the mechanic discount) but i don't know how it will be having a $300-600 monthly bill for a car vs to already owning my car and doing whatever I want to it.

Funny, even most of the SUV's I've looked are like 2-3 inches shorter than my car and its a PITA my car is so long and not so spacious inside. But w/e, it a gas guzzler if you hit a lot of traffic and always stepping on the accelerator but hey i'm driving a very nice car that I don't see parked in every street =).

Looking forward to hear everyone's lease, finance, owning experience.

Thanks


CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

If you can buy outright - do so. Leasing does not make sense the vast majority of the time and can b rife with loopholes. Dealing with how many miles you can out on a leased car is enough for me - no way.

Trade in usually is not a good thing if you want to get the most value out of the car. If you do not want to have the hassle of selling it - then trade in.

TONS of links on the lease vs buy like this one:

»www.edmunds.com/car-leasing/comp···car.html

BTW - it is either lease or buy - does not really matter on the buy side if it is financed or purchased outright - both times you are buying.

Remember - not all pre-owned cars have warranties... Certified pre-owned will have the best warranties and if it is not certified - be careful that the 'warranty' is really just a service contract. Run away from service contracts and do not accept any 'warranty' that is not provided by the car manufacturer.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

reply to RobNyc
if you do not have the raw cash on hand to buy it outright, finance it.

I know the lease sounds great that you get a new car every few years but Leasing can also be a minefield of future fees if you do not completely baby a car.
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RobNyc
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join:2002-03-06
New York, NY

reply to RobNyc
Forgot to mention, on my next purchase don't want to spend more than 10k-12k on a car if I'm buying it outright of course I wouldn't be able to get any of the car of my choice from a private seller at that price but I prob can through the insurance auction. For example my cousin just got a car for my dad Clean Title Toyota Camry 2007 4cyl 119k miles with some minor-damage to the headlights for $6,2xx.

I just don't feel like paying those high fees for a 0 mile car when I can get a better deal on a certified-pre-owned from what I am reading, but then certain vehicles that I like and the better gas mileage are coming in the 2009+ edition. My friend just financed a 2008 BMW 550i I personally don't like bmw's maintenance (very costly) but it is a nice car, but he didn't tell me how much he is paying monthly. Are leases usually more expensive than financing?



CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

Read the link provided and search for other links as well. Some times buying a new car is about the same price as used.
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The Pig
Bazina
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join:2009-09-11

reply to RobNyc
Out here you can not resell a salvage titled car, so a trade-in is out of the question!
All you can do with it is junk it!



I AM

join:2010-04-11
Ephrata, PA
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reply to RobNyc
Me personally I would never buy a car that has a salvaged title. It's a pain in the near and far future with those cars. I'm against leasing as well. Why not just finance and pay monthly? You really get nothing after leasing a car.



CylonRed
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join:2000-07-06
Bloom County

said by I AM:

I'm against financing as well. Why not just finance and pay monthly? You really get nothing after leasing a car.

Financing or leasing...
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Waterbug

join:2008-03-30

reply to RobNyc
The one time that a lease makes any sense is on a new model introduction. They have NO resale history and can really depreciate. My example is a 2006 Honda Ridgeline. I leased one on a 42 month lease, with a buy out of $19K. That is what Honda expected to be able to sell the vehicle for after 42 months. At the end of my lease, there were all kinds of them on the Honda Dealers lot for $16K. I offered them $16K for my leased vehicle and they refused. Their reply was: " A contract is a contract". I bought an '06 Dodge RAM Hemi extended cab (twice the truck) for the same price.



aannoonn

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reply to RobNyc
Leases are generally a bad idea. Not always, but most of the time.

How much do you drive a year? Leases have mileage limits.

After spending all that money on a lease, you have nothing to show for it. With financing, at the end you own the car!

With loan rates of 0.9% APR being common, financing is very, very cheap. But you won't get that rate on a used car.



fwdworkzzzz

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reply to Waterbug

said by Waterbug:

I bought an '06 Dodge RAM Hemi extended cab (twice the truck) for the same price.

lol shoulda got the honda, better deal even at 19k.

OP lease is stupid hands down, the other poster just spent how much money on a lease... and has nothing to show for it lol...

Buy outright or get a loan, also AWD is not needed, FWD with snows in NYC should be fine, I get around no problems with FWD with *out* snows upstate, I am unstoppable now with snows... the bad snow storm we just had, psh, I was passing cars left and right who were stuck, doing 5mph... went up hill, down, around turns, around trees... no problems... 2 snows that's it lol... sure AWD would help you go better, but nothing more. Hell my biggest problem was the car is not high enough so I was pushing snow with the front bumper...

You know just so you do not limit yourself to AWD for no real reason...


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reply to CylonRed

said by CylonRed:

said by I AM:

I'm against financing as well. Why not just finance and pay monthly? You really get nothing after leasing a car.

Financing or leasing...

Corrected. haha. Why rent when you can own?


RobNyc
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join:2002-03-06
New York, NY

reply to I AM

said by I AM:

Me personally I would never buy a car that has a salvaged title. It's a pain in the near and far future with those cars. I'm against leasing as well. Why not just finance and pay monthly? You really get nothing after leasing a car.

I understand that now, I might keep my salvage car a little longer just want to get into a AWD since the snow was harsh this winter.

Leasing basically I figured I can change cars frequently as technology advances I'd like to have the newest =)
Financing, i guess if you want to keep it.

nonymous
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Glendale, AZ
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reply to RobNyc
if you have the money, always trade in your cars for newer and different and treat them semi gently leasing can work.

My wife and i can barely get a new vehicle and drive it into the ground. Bought a new suv this year will probably keep it for ten years hopefully or more. Already telling our six year old not to spill or kick it to death inside as he may end up with it later as a first vehicle.


Waterbug

join:2008-03-30

reply to fwdworkzzzz

said by fwdworkzzzz :

said by Waterbug:

I bought an '06 Dodge RAM Hemi extended cab (twice the truck) for the same price.

lol shoulda got the honda, better deal even at 19k.

Why should I buy back the Honda for $19K, when the dealer had three on his lot for $16K ? The 5.7 L 345HP Dodge Hemi gets the same 21mpg EPA hi-way milage as the wimpy Honda V-6, because it has a system that cuts to 4 active cylinders, when cruising. The Dodge will pull a 26' travel trailer, under any conditions and the Honda won't even pull the same trailer on a flat road.


michieru
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reply to RobNyc
Is the inconvenience of driving during the winter worth the cost of a new car? If not stick with what you have. As a first time car owner I purchased a new 2007 Chevrolet Aveo and financed it.

Worst mistake I ever did when it came to cars. If you could afford the payments then go ahead and purchase one if you like but you better have some job stability or some way to pay it off because you start missing on payments they will take it away. You have a car that takes you from point A to point B and it's treating you right.

Save up your money for a new car that you can purchase outright with AWD later on but remember that back then AWD didn't exist and people drove just fine back then too.


Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ

reply to RobNyc
a good FWD car will be good in snow too, its RWD to avoid. I got stuck behind a BMW once on a slush covered movie theater parking lot. really a brand new 7 series worth 80k should not be an epic fail on some packed snow and partly melted slush on a minor slope while my 11yr Impala does not even trigger its traction control.
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RobNyc
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join:2002-03-06
New York, NY

said by Kearnstd:

a good FWD car will be good in snow too, its RWD to avoid. I got stuck behind a BMW once on a slush covered movie theater parking lot. really a brand new 7 series worth 80k should not be an epic fail on some packed snow and partly melted slush on a minor slope while my 11yr Impala does not even trigger its traction control.

Actually, my RWD is fine in snow the trick is Good Winter/Snow tires. Even FWD will s**k in the snow/slush with crappy tires and I actually even seen my cousin's Ford Expedition slidiing because of his tires.
But nothing beats AWD w/ Snow tires. I am actually going to save up like you folks said, doesn't look smart or cheap for me to go financing or leasing a vehicle.


aannoonn

@optonline.net

said by RobNyc:

Actually, my RWD is fine in snow the trick is Good Winter/Snow tires.

Agreed, although you also have to know how to drive. I once took a RWD Toyota Corolla with snow tires through 14" of unplowed snow to get gas for my snowblower. No problems.


RobNyc
Premium
join:2002-03-06
New York, NY

said by aannoonn :

said by RobNyc:

Actually, my RWD is fine in snow the trick is Good Winter/Snow tires.

Agreed, although you also have to know how to drive. I once took a RWD Toyota Corolla with snow tires through 14" of unplowed snow to get gas for my snowblower. No problems.

I just recently saw a review on a Cadillac CTS-V 2009 (RWD 556HorsePower) with Pirelli's Snow tires in a winter wonderland. And it shut everyone up about RWD not being good in snow.

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