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join:2010-03-04
Havelock, NC
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Re: [Cataclysm] 4.3 LFR/LFD Lame Ducks I love the afflition locks who play with their imp and uses reign of fire instead of seeding on big trash packs. And they have soul fire and immolate talents. |
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Hunters usually get my feathers ruffled with misdirect pulls so you cant kick them out of the dungeon for rolling need on everything. |
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Hunter gets his due
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lol i know who terellowens is, crazy that someone from my server made the pages  |
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join:2010-01-07
Evans, GA
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well, I had to VTK a warrior tank last night. Mind you, I love a well-played warrior tank... high mobility, excellent grouping abilities, great CDs. That doesn't mean you should create chaos out of every pull.
End Time. first boss is Jaina. I'm healing on my priest as atonement/disc. The trash packs have priest, mage, hunter, 2xmelee (all undead). I'm the only available CC. The tank marks a skull on the priest... charges in, then heroic leaps to the mage... then runs to the hunter, then runs back to the priest... then constantly has to run to the mage that blinks away. Meanwhile, he can't maintain threat on the priest... who isn't dying, btw (because any dps that focuses the priest pulls threat)... now, remember the 2 melee? yeah... hacking and slicing through the warriors backplate. We actually wipe to that crap!! Finally get through that... baine fight we wipe once because no one was stunning baine, I had to change platforms twice, and the tank allowed baine to stand in the lava for too long. Naturally he blames me for not healing him.
Murozond trash. We have a feral druid. Tank even says, "druid can sleep one, he's in the same room as me". Okay... only the druid isn't sleeping the add. a dps body pulls and dies instantly (the first arcane barrages and charges put out a lot of dmg that only a tank can really take). go back in, I mark a sleep target, tell the tank to charge the other caster and let the melee run in to him for a clean pull. Nope... he announces that he is going to charge one caster, then leap to the other target. I try to object, nope. he charges in... leaps over to the other (taking a few melee hits to the back from the add he leaped over, then turns and runs back to the other caster... he didn't silence either one... so as he runs passed the melee add he had just jumped over (hence, still on his back) the 2 arcane barrages hit him at the same time... squish. (don't warriors still have spell reflect?). Dude nerd-rages, tells me I need to learn how to play the game, that under-geared healers keep him up through here all the time... meanwhile... I calmly open up VTK and type in "stubborn" in the reason field. Passes immediately. His druid buddy drops a few moments later.
/sigh. no drops for me on this run... and it took 45 minutes.
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said by mmmhmmm :lol i know who terellowens is, crazy that someone from my server made the pages
Your toon?
My main is Darkthunder
Darkpresence
Darktemptres
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OUch Immer... yeah we do still have spell reflect but it's on a 25 sec cd and 20 sec I think being glyphed. (waste imo) But still he could have used heroic throw to silence (if specced) and pummel the other if need be to group them up.
We ran a few heroics over the weekend and I've seen so many people die in Hour of Twilight due to a failed cleanse. I just don't understand why most healers would rather just heal through a dot and burn mana instead of use a GCD to cleanse it, or worse yet, let the person die.
We didn't run a LFR this weekend. Spent the majority of the time getting a few guildies bumped up in ilvl. I'm sure I'll have some stories when we do run it... |
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ImmerAspiring GentlemanPremium
join:2010-01-07
Evans, GA
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said by Bodybagger:I just don't understand why most healers would rather just heal through a dot and burn mana instead of use a GCD to cleanse it, or worse yet, let the person die. They probably start ignoring dispellable debuffs (or the "ding" from decursive) from the overkill of /meh dispells on the first boss. I mean, yeah, dispelling lets people move, but stronger healers can just heal through that. The stuff that comes in that gauntlet is another issue entirely... and it only happens one at a time... lazy healers are lazy. I also /chuckle at ranged dps who can't friggin avoid getting icetrapped. Seriously folks... I'm staring at healthbars the whole time, and i notice the icetrap flying in my direction, land at my feet, even materialize... and i have time to sidestep it before it becomes active... /shrug.
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said by Immer:said by Bodybagger:I just don't understand why most healers would rather just heal through a dot and burn mana instead of use a GCD to cleanse it, or worse yet, let the person die. They probably start ignoring dispellable debuffs (or the "ding" from decursive) from the overkill of /meh dispells on the first boss. I mean, yeah, dispelling lets people move, but stronger healers can just heal through that. The stuff that comes in that gauntlet is another issue entirely... and it only happens one at a time... lazy healers are lazy. I also /chuckle at ranged dps who can't friggin avoid getting icetrapped. Seriously folks... I'm staring at healthbars the whole time, and i notice the icetrap flying in my direction, land at my feet, even materialize... and i have time to sidestep it before it becomes active... /shrug. I use healbot and DBM. DBM lets me know when I can dispell and healbot allows me to hold down ctrl and click the same damned button I have been using to heal for the last few minutes in order to dispell something. You said it right Immer, just lazy healers. I would not rather heal through a DOT simply because usually a GCD is shorter than a heal cast time and the dispell uses a smaller amount of mana. The only thing someone has to do different is usually moving their finger to another button or move their mouse half an inch if they are a clicker. |
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join:2009-05-14
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| You totally left out cleansing waters fact too....
anyways; I had my 1st lame duck, yay.
Went into a random on my alt (15min dps Q), only to get a druid that is OOM after every pull. Vote to kick incoming, he pulls the boss and then gets kicked.
Get a shaman after that, spams nothing but chain heal, doesn't dispell, bad heals overall. Let the tank die 2x on the hourglass boss, but we managed to get the fight down(some how).
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I don't know you from Adam, so I'm not accusing you of this specifically, but I find your post a little ironic- the healbot healers I know, as a group, are some of the laziest, most mod-do-my-thinking-for-me-dependent people in this game.
Then again, I'm a "stock UI" snob like Soupdogg, so I'm probably biased.
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said by JB:Get a shaman after that, spams nothing but chain heal, doesn't dispell, bad heals overall. Let the tank die 2x on the hourglass boss, but we managed to get the fight down(some how).
5 free tank resses did the trick and the tank blowing his defensive CDs ^_^
I love that fight. I always say I'll interview my bloodlust with the hourglass, and strangely no one has fought with me for the hourglass control yet. My lightning bolts are like .7 sec cast :P |
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said by CpnObvious:I don't know you from Adam, so I'm not accusing you of this specifically, but I find your post a little ironic- the healbot healers I know, as a group, are some of the laziest, most mod-do-my-thinking-for-me-dependent people in this game.
Then again, I'm a "stock UI" snob like Soupdogg, so I'm probably biased.
Not sure where I fit in on this, I actually prefer grid with mouse-over macros. I want to control what spell I use, and then I use decursive to let me know when someone has something and if it is worth despelling or not.
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ImmerAspiring GentlemanPremium
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said by CpnObvious:I don't know you from Adam, so I'm not accusing you of this specifically, but I find your post a little ironic- the healbot healers I know, as a group, are some of the laziest, most mod-do-my-thinking-for-me-dependent people in this game.
Then again, I'm a "stock UI" snob like Soupdogg, so I'm probably biased.
ignore these posts, navy, since they will always be about your addon's rep established back in BC rather than you. I dumped healbot for clique (because it works better for my non-healing toons, and will fire regardless of which raid frame I'm using). A lazy healbotter will perform slightly better than a lazy "stock UI"... but lazy is lazy and you don't want either one.
When used correctly, healbot, vudho, grid+clique, or clique+stockUI all perform the same.
mouseover macros + raidframeofyourchoice also works equally well IF and only IF you can adapt to that style of play (all movement with the mouse, keyboard fires all of your abilities).
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In my defense however I jumped into LFR the other day at iLvl 372 (or 373, whichever is the lowest allowable) and still topped the healing charts and never OOM'd. But if healbot = lazy then I am guilty. |
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said by stvnbrs:Not sure where I fit in on this, I actually prefer grid with mouse-over macros. I want to control what spell I use, and then I use decursive to let me know when someone has something and if it is worth despelling or not.
This seems to be the most common setup I see for good raiding healers. Personally I go with a setup even more primitive, but then again I haven't seriously raid healed since 4.1 (LFR healing doesn't count.)
said by Immer:ignore these posts, navy, since they will always be about your addon's rep established back in BC rather than you. I dumped healbot for clique (because it works better for my non-healing toons, and will fire regardless of which raid frame I'm using). A lazy healbotter will perform slightly better than a lazy "stock UI"... but lazy is lazy and you don't want either one.
When used correctly, healbot, vudho, grid+clique, or clique+stockUI all perform the same.
mouseover macros + raidframeofyourchoice also works equally well IF and only IF you can adapt to that style of play (all movement with the mouse, keyboard fires all of your abilities).
Actually, it's more based on the number of times I've had to wait on a healer to fix their healbot because they couldn't function without it if it wasn't working, or had a healer try to function without it and fail miserably. I've never had a clique user go, "damn, clique's not working, I can't heal." To be fair, I use neither addon, so I'm only going off observed secondary effects.
said by navymaverick:However I use healbot and a few other addons to make sure that I am offering teh most out of my character towards the group. In one glance I can see everyone's health, who has the most aggro, who has a dispellable buff and where the status of my earth and water shields are...In my defense however I jumped into LFR the other day at iLvl 372 (or 373, whichever is the lowest allowable) and still topped the healing charts and never OOM'd. But if healbot = lazy then I am guilty.
In case you ever have to go lightweight for some reason, standard UI can provide all those things with some settings tweaking (though it's admittedly a little less detailed on threat.) Getting past my irrational love of the stock UI, though, I'm not saying you're lazy for using healbot, or that you're lazy at all; just that my personal experience with healbot healers has been somewhat negative.
As to LFR healing... every LFR HPS meter I've seen has been led by whomever spammed chain heal the hardest. Which again, isn't to say that you might not have been doing an outstanding job, just means I'm skeptical toward LFR results.
Edits: lots of lazy autoquoting and C&P work.
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| said by navymaverick:I have to admit that I am sorta stuck on using healbot (or equivalent) to heal. If it is jacked then I am SOL along with the party.
Maybe I should amend my stance from "lazy" to, "the mod seems to create a dependency moreso than others." It'd probably be a less loaded statement.
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