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Re: New "Data Allowance" packages said by Sircolby45:You're "the clock is inaccurate" theory doesn't hold water.
But using skewed data as some reference standard to evaluate a satellite provider doesn't hold water either.
Suggesting ViaSat-1's pings now are excessive, and coming to a conclusion that "traffic shaping in place or people would be seeing pings more in the high 500s" is a wrong conclusion when using skewed data.
Ping times at say 3 AM is not a representative data point, if this is when your test was done. Cherry picking data is very un-kosher.
Just like when I look at this status report:
»Current Status Tuesday August 27 2002
with a quick scan, I don't see any ping tests, so does this mean that latency is not important? It's the speed that's important?
In fact, I have only found so far in HughesNet Satellite forum only few ping tests, which off hand suggests these users are not obsessed with latency. |
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said by Sircolby45:A large portion of internet [game] servers are in Dallas, which means
Footnote - Keep in mind that overall infrastructure and equipment changes in cable/DSL since 2005 have brought about less latency for these users.
Hence, gamers across US on cable/dsl today have lower latencies...which means satellite users with good latencies have lost up to several hundred ms of reaction time overall to players across US; YMMV. |
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said by DrStrangLov :said by Sircolby45:You're "the clock is inaccurate" theory doesn't hold water.
But using skewed data as some reference standard to evaluate a satellite provider doesn't hold water either. Suggesting ViaSat-1's pings now are excessive, and coming to a conclusion that "traffic shaping in place or people would be seeing pings more in the high 500s" is a wrong conclusion when using skewed data. Ping times at say 3 AM is not a representative data point, if this is when your test was done. Cherry picking data is very un-kosher. Just like when I look at this status report: » Current Status Tuesday August 27 2002with a quick scan, I don't see any ping tests, so does this mean that latency is not important? It's the speed that's important? In fact, I have only found so far in HughesNet Satellite forum only few ping tests, which off hand suggests these users are not obsessed with latency. Unlike you I am able to see when I am wrong. I didn't "cherry pick" data. I picked data that was my own. Apparently my NOC and beam "got" better ping times than the norm. Either way it still doesn't change anything. If you think those pings are going to hold if that bird fills up your kidding yourself.(Which was my point anyway) Also business class satellite satellite gets sub 600ms pings all the time. So that still tells me that they have some kind of traffic shaping in place.
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| The Excede service compresses and decompresses the data which could account for an extra few hundred milliseconds. It is not necessarily traffic shaping.
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said by Sircolby45:If you think those pings are going to hold if that bird fills up.. IIRC, your are in process of selecting either ViaSat-1 or Jupiter for your parents.
I would suggest reviewing this whole thread
»[Networking] Online Gaming on HughesNet
and closely examine individual posts like this:
»Re: [Networking] Online Gaming on HughesNet
Bottom line here is both ViaSat-1 and Jupiter with same number of users online will most likely have similar user game experiences since Jupiter appears to be a clone of ViaSat-1.
ViaSat Sues Satellite-builder Loral for Patent Infringement
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Carlsbad, Calif.-based ViaSat had said in 2009 that it viewed the similarities between its ViaSat-1 broadband satellite and competitor Hughes’ Jupiter spacecraft as suspicious.
said by Sircolby45:Also business class satellite satellite gets sub 600ms pings all the time. As grohgreg stated in regards to HughesNet business class service, "Don't expect to ever run consistently under 700ms..."
»Re: [HN7000S] Average Ping/Latency?
If one is a serious gamer, they should consider Wildblue's 56 Kbps business plan, this POS service (Point of Sale) has low latency, but its only 56 kbps. |
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| LOL! I don't care if the pings were 250ms I would never game on Wildblue or Hughesnet. I have real internet to do that on. As I have stated before I am interested in latency because it doesn't just affect gaming performance.
Also I hardly consider anything from Hughesnet or Wildblue "business class." Just because you label it that way doesn't make it so. I am talking a real business provider like iDirect. Here is a ping from dbird on iDirect.
»Re: Post your pings
Pinging 72.30.2.43 with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=554ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=558ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=662ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=578ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=754ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=552ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=552ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=579ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=555ms TTL=47
Reply from 72.30.2.43: bytes=32 time=555ms TTL=47
ping statistics for 72.30.2.43:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 552ms, Maximum = 754ms, Average = 589ms
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| said by Sircolby45:I am talking a real business provider like iDirect. Speaking of iDirect "Typically you can expect pings below 675 ms, "up to" speeds at 75% + of advertised..."
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=564ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=660ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=659ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=667ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=665ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=653ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=652ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=653ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=630ms TTL=238
Reply from 72.14.205.99: bytes=32 time=758ms TTL=238
Minimum = 564ms, Maximum = 758ms, Average = 656ms
"Of course that plan will slow down the most during peak periods, and power users would be happier with a higher plan." |
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said by Sircolby45:So that still tells me that they have some kind of traffic shaping in place. If one reads Wildblue's Network Management Policy, they will find near page's bottom:
This policy applies to internet services provided on the WildBlue-1, Anik F2 and AMC-15 satellites using first generation SurfBeam equipment. A different policy will apply to internet services provided using next generation SurfBeam equipment...
But, currently, they have not explained any details; which by law, they must do. As they note, "WildBlue reserves the right to adopt new or different network management practices (subject to transparency requirements) in response to changes in the market, available technology, and Internet usage."
Consequently, there is no traffic shaping currently. |
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| Well if there is not any traffic shaping there will be if that bird fills up. Anik-F2 either had no traffic shaping or a very non-invasive traffic shaping policy to start off with. When the bird is over-filled something has to be done to police the bandwidth. I am sure just like every satellite in the past this bird will be packed beyond its limits eventually.(In your words, when the "pilgrims" come.)
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| said by Sircolby45:Well if there is not any traffic shaping there will be if that bird fills up. Anik-F2 either had no traffic shaping or a very non-invasive traffic shaping policy to start off with. When the bird is over-filled something has to be done to police the bandwidth. I am sure just like every satellite in the past this bird will be packed beyond its limits eventually.(In your words, when the "pilgrims" come.)
What do you call this?
»www.wildblue.com/legal/network-m···t-policy
After they started this I can no longer get windows updates during prime time.. They just fail! (Due to the slowing down of data downloads.....) Remember I am paying for this  |
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| It's interesting to compare how other satellite providers around the world are juggling the balancing act between cost and CAPS. Maybe Exede should learn a lesson. For example I have a pal in the outback of Australia who uses NBN.
Satellite Broadband (NBN)
Home Products & Services Satellite Broadband (NBN)
31GB Night
Peak Data: 1GB
Off-Peak Data 30GB
Speed: Unleashed+ (up to 6Mbps)
Plan type: Shaped
Price: $49.95/month
Check out our most popular NBN satellite internet plans:
3GB Anytime+: $34.95/mth
4GB Anytime+: $39.95/mth
10GB Bonus+: $49.95/mth
18GB Bonus+: $69.95/mth
40GB Bonus+: $99.95/mth
31GB Night: $49.95/mth
or
SATlinQ NBN Plans
PLAN NAME PEAK TIME FREE TIME TOTAL MONTHLY TOTAL COST
SATlinQ-1 1 GB 2 GB 3 GB $34.50
SATlinQ-2 2 GB 3 GB 5 GB $39.50
SATlinQ-3 3 GB 4 GB 7 GB $45.00
SATlinQ-4 5 GB 6 GB 11 GB $57.50
SATlinQ-5 8 GB 10 GB 18 GB $69.50
SATlinQ-6 12 GB 15 GB 27 GB $88.00
SATlinQ-7 15 GB 20 GB 35 GB $99.00
PLAN NAME PEAK TIME DATA FREE TIME DATA TOTAL MONTHLY DATA TOTAL COST MONTH
NITElinQ-1 1 GB 10 GB 11 GB $37.50
NITElinQ-2 2 GB 35 GB 37 Gb $57.50
NITElinQ-3 3 GB 50 GB 53 GB $77.00 |
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said by n1581j :It's interesting to compare how other satellite providers around the world are juggling the balancing act between cost and CAPS....outback of Australia who uses NBN.
Oh, how does this dude use satellite, when it has not been launched?
Wiki:
"The National Broadband Network (NBN) is a national wholesale-only, open-access data network under development in Australia. "
"The fibre to the premises (FTTP) rollout is planned to reach approximately 93 percent of the population by June 2021"
"Construction of the fixed wireless network is planned to begin in 2011, delivering its first services in 2012 and to be completed by 2015. Two satellites will be launched by 2015. "
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_B···_Network
»www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/15···_prices/ |
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| It's live, I'm online with him now so don't go there.. Sats are not just unique to the US, they are available in a countless countries One could say exede is under development, it's still falling over isn't it. Sorry, have I let your cat out the bag |
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There is nothing worse than a know it all.
»www.activ8me.net.au/Customer-Not···ase.aspx |
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| said by n1581j :There is nothing worse than a know it all.
Without a citation, one can not support their claim...check out these sat plans...makes Exede/Hughes look good, from theirs.
SuperSaver 1.5GB Excess: $19.95/mth
Unleashed 2.5GB Shaped: $39.95/mth
Unleashed 5GB Shaped: $49.95/mth
Unleashed 10GB Excess: $54.95/mth
»www.activ8me.net.au/Products-and···TAR.aspx
Activ8me National Broadband Network Satellite Plans
We offer three plan types - 'anytime plans', 'bonus plans' and a 'night plan'.
Anytime plans - Our anytime plans mean you can use your monthly data quota throughout the day when it suits you. There are no peak or off-peak usage restrictions.
Bonus plans – Our bonus plans have the benefit of a peak data allowance with larger data allowances available in off-peak times.
Night plan - Our night plan is ideal for heavy users who download large files at night in the off-peak hours of Midnight - 7am.
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Anytime plans*
6GB Anytime Unleashed + 6GB $87.95
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