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bluedyedvd

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[Newsgroups] Usenet volume decreasing ?

Looking at mysterbin monthly volume chart actually shows a small decline in usenet volume, I just wondering where I can find current details on full usenet feed stats


Ryan
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Possibly, but that could also be a result of most providers offering much longer retention. This equals a huge decline in reposts.



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reply to bluedyedvd
Does it just show posting volume this month to date? One of the largest providers for Usenet, definitely the largest for posting volume, was closed rather recently. This may have caused results to get skewed until things ramped back up again.
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Mister M

join:2010-05-01
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said by swintec:

One of the largest providers for Usenet, definitely the largest for posting volume, was closed rather recently.

Yep, you can thank the USA government for that. Link.


THZNDUP
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said by Mister M:

said by swintec:

One of the largest providers for Usenet, definitely the largest for posting volume, was closed rather recently.

Yep, you can thank the USA government for that. Link.

Hummmmmm....

District Court of Amsterdam

Stichting Brein

quote:
The BREIN foundation is the joint anti-piracy program of authors, artists, publishers, producers and distributors of music, film, games, interactive software and books; A unique bundling of forces of the entire entertainment industry in the fight against Intellectual Property theft. BREIN is the central contact for rights holders, government, law enforcement, trade and media in the Netherlands with respect to all issues concerning the unauthorised copying and distribution of entertainment products both offline and online. BREIN is the Dutch acronym for "Protection Rights Entertainment Industry Netherlands" and also, more importantly, the Dutch word for "brain".

Nope, don't see USA government in your linked article or in BREIN's charter or in Article 6:196c of the Dutch Civil Code, and not even in the European E-commerce Directive.

BTW, I hope News-Service wins their appeal and gets a hefty settlement from BREIN.
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Sukunai
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reply to bluedyedvd
I am going to realize my newsgroup days might be numbered as I am finding a rapid decline of NEEDING newsgroups actually.

I have witnessed the attacks on the newsgroup scene myself, and I recall when one I liked newzbin was shut down, only to 'magically' reappear as newzbin2 made a mockery of the process.

But I might not really need to fret, as I am gaining a view that the whole newsgroup choice is looking less and less valuable to me.

Not long back, I signed up for a newsindexer option and comically, while it was a nice deal at 10 bucks for 10 years, I have yet to actually use them since I signed up more than 2 months back now.

The reason, I found Netflix. Man I can't get over how much I am enjoying the service. 8 bucks a month seems like robbery, for them though hehe. I was paying 65 bucks a month for cable, and getting only a fraction of the selection.

I don't know that I will never use newsgroups again much or not, but, I am rapidly becoming of the mindset, that newsgroups was a last decade thing.

I think the industries out there whining about theft from illegal downloaders might actually have a new threat. Competition from a legal source that can simply do it better than the traditional old forms.



imtim83
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Where have you been ? Netflix has been around for a while.



Stem Bolt
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reply to Sukunai
No games or music from Netflix.

Also, you have tangible copy of the media.



darcilicious
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reply to Sukunai
I use both -- the right tool for the right job and all that. (I really really didn't need to download the entire series of Star Trek "DS9" and "Enterprise" but I sure as heck enjoyed watching them from start to finish this past fall )


sandman_1

join:2011-04-23
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reply to Sukunai
Netflix is awesome and everything but Usenet still blows it away. I can get a show sometimes immediately after it aired commercial free and the HD version probably a little more like 5-30 min. after airing.

Netflix will not compete with cable ever unless there is some kind of drastic change of thinking with the content providers. They like the cable TV gravy train too much to let it go. Basically what Netflix is, is a la carte programming, which is what they say would be "more expensive than packages" or "just wouldn't be feasible" if cable TV providers did it.



darcilicious
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Actually, no, Netflix (streaming) is NOT ala carte. You either get access to everything they have for the same price or you get access to nothing. I can't, for example, pay a lower price for only streaming one show or one season of a show...

Ala carte in the context of cable means you can choose to have any X number of channels vs signing up for a particular package with channels you don't want or never watch.

The iTunes (and I think Amazon?) model is much closer to ala carte: you can buy a season "pass" to any one or more shows that they offer without getting stuck with stuff you don't want.

Since we're on the topic, you all might find this an interesting read:
»www.fastcompany.com/1801458/futu···deo-2012


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reply to Sukunai
Netflix is a no go when our kids will watch things 15-20 times before becoming bored with them. Personally I will download something once and use that copy rather than getting the same thing over and over and wasting lots of bandwidth in the process.


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reply to bluedyedvd
The comment from unoriginal is actually funny

Yeah sometimes kids can do that to you. I ditched all of my Sponge Bob dvds on a friend when my son grew out of it. His reply was a 'thanks' dripping in limited gratitude. I heard a good while later the dvds lasted a few days and were let go as he couldn't take listening to them over and over and over

Sometimes not being able to watch the same thing more than a few times is a blessing eh.

There simply is no reason Netflix couldn't be a game distributor other than they never desired to be that sort of service. Steam is likely mainly unique for the same reason competing with Netflix would be a challenge. Once someone gets a good foothold on a market, you have to do such an incredibly better job to grab away client base.

But in as much as newsgroups are the best way possible to download stuff you never paid for (which is precisely as wrong as I want it to sound), I HAVE enjoyed being able to distance myself from the choice simply as it is a choice I was forced to take from a market refusing to sell to me in a way 'I' liked.

I don't give a damn about the MPAA and the RIAA and their needs and agendas.
Steam while not my idea of perfect has met a demand.
Netflix, while unable to provide jocks their live sports fix yet, could arrange it if they did the work I suppose.
I'm not a jock though, and weather and news is nearly impossible to escape. I turn on my tablet and it gives me the weather regardless of whether I needed it or not

Currently airing shows is now really all I seek. And when I consider I have only interest in 2 shows at this time (because some of us won't give a damn for more than a VERY small slice of currently airing programming), and those 2 shows likely will be concluding soon. Well that just leaves my anime fix, which internet streaming sites handle just fine.

I might actually be 100% legit in my online activities by 2012.
Almost seems weird saying that.

There could well be a lot of my type out there being the reason for the volumes going down. But it is just an unverifiable guess.



darcilicious
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said by Sukunai:

Netflix, while unable to provide jocks their live sports fix yet, could arrange it if they did the work I suppose.

I doubt that Netflix will ever want to do this and I doubt even more that the leagues involved do either. The latter have a nice strangle hold on the access rights -- and much of it IS available online, and in a truly ala carte manner. If you want hockey, sign up for NHL Game Center and watch games live streaming over the internet. Some media streaming devices (like the Boxee Box) have apps that will let you stream the games through their device.

Currently airing shows is now really all I seek.

That's what Hulu is for and/or even the network studios website.

I might actually be 100% legit in my online activities by 2012.
Almost seems weird saying that.

There could well be a lot of my type out there being the reason for the volumes going down. But it is just an unverifiable guess.

I ran across an article recently referring to the "cord-nevers" as opposed to the "cord-cutters" the former being all those young folks that will never even sign up for cable.

jimboe

join:2000-08-14
New York

reply to bluedyedvd
Don't forget- you aint gettin anywhere near the kind of quality from Netflix you're gettin from nntp.


Sukunai
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reply to bluedyedvd
Quality is occasionally massively over rated.

Watching for instance a common TV show in expensive bandwidth eating HD is like wearing a tuxedo to go to MacDonald's. Watching a lot of atypical schlock films in HD is the same.

Watching the rare few moments like Avatar in HD makes owning a large HD tv worth it. Watching a few nature related shows in HD is worth it.

Sometimes, watching schlock in low grade transmission is perfectly adequate. Spending more, so you can see the mundane and the average in high quality is stupid.

In around 2000-2005, my main goal in just about all my downloading, was in going from the much inferior vhs form of most of my video collection to a digital form (which costs a LOT less shelf space to store). If Netflix had been there for me, as well as they are there for me now, back then, I wouldn't have needed to download and store all those mundane average easily found on Netflix films and various videos of documentaries etc.

The MPAA is suffering a massive case of over inflated worth. If they had been willing to sell me digital downloads of old film that has not been worth more than pennies for decades, I'd likely have been ok buying them. I recently saw a Christmas Carol, the one the family likes, on sale on DVD for 13 bucks in Zellers. Come on, get real, this black and white classic can be found nearly anywhere for a reason. It's barely worth a 99 cent download. It's barely worth the time required to download it for free. It should actually BE free as a means of attracting customers to buy digital files of new content. The new content though is not worth 30 dollars on DVD nor is it worth 20 or 10. Today's films, are at best worth no more than a rental is. I'd never offer them more than 5 bucks.

The reason Netflix and operations like them are likely the REAL danger to Hollywood, and not downloading, is just 2 rentals will exceed a full month of Netflix service. I don't need Hollywood so badly. I only go to the theatre when I have more money than common sense and am ok with bad seats and idiotically high priced popcorn. With a 40inch HD tv though, there's almost no reason to pay a ticket price for 90% of what Hollywood releases. Maybe if they mastered real marketing, they wouldn't need to beat up the internet.

Netflix wouldn't be around, if it couldn't make any money doing what it is doing. Thus, the MPAA is really just about greed, and an incapacity to just know how to make money the way Netflix is doing.

Anything NOT on Netflix, is often available a few doors down on the internet. My days of needing newsgroups are drying up fast.



imtim83
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You have lost your mind. I can name many movies that you can not find on Netflix at all and never will be able to.


sandman_1

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reply to Sukunai
That absolutely made no sense. Hey whatever floats your boat...


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reply to imtim83

said by imtim83:

You have lost your mind. I can name many movies that you can not find on Netflix at all and never will be able to.

I too can name oodles of films documentaries etc that will never appear on Netflix. I can name stuff I wish was there and I can name stuff I am glad is not wasting space there.

I have a few films still on vhs that might never see the light of day on a digital medium, and it sucks. I have a few films on dvd I was surprised had made it to dvd to begin with.

I agonized over letting my dad's collection of railroad vhs tapes go, but one day I got the urge to go online, and see if the company had ever gotten around to re marketing them. Turns out they did.
But they will likely never appear on Netflix.

I can live with that. How many people do you really know, like watching videos of nothing but trains driving by though? Really like to, in other words will watch 2 solid hours of nothing but trains driving around? Me I like trains that much. But I have never met anyone else like me in that regards.

I will always have a use for a few dvd collections on the shelf. I have gotten fond of buying 5 dvd sets in tins from Madacy entertainment for the acceptable price of 10 bucks. All they are worth of course, it's all just old footage being resold over and over.

I only expect Netflix to spend effort on the stuff people actually want to watch in respectable numbers. I rate everything I watch for a reason.
I'd be shocked to see them list friggin soap operas. Told my mother regarding getting Netflix, if all she really plans to watch on TV is her soaps, then she was going to have to stomache paying 65 bucks a month for cable. But if she actually wants a good price and a good deal, she CAN get Netflix and save a lot of money.
But they won't have eeeeeeverything.
Cable doesn't have eeeeeeverything either.

EdmundGerber

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reply to THZNDUP

said by THZNDUP:

said by Mister M:

said by swintec:

One of the largest providers for Usenet, definitely the largest for posting volume, was closed rather recently.

Yep, you can thank the USA government for that. Link.

Hummmmmm....

District Court of Amsterdam

Stichting Brein

quote:
The BREIN foundation is the joint anti-piracy program of authors, artists, publishers, producers and distributors of music, film, games, interactive software and books; A unique bundling of forces of the entire entertainment industry in the fight against Intellectual Property theft. BREIN is the central contact for rights holders, government, law enforcement, trade and media in the Netherlands with respect to all issues concerning the unauthorised copying and distribution of entertainment products both offline and online. BREIN is the Dutch acronym for "Protection Rights Entertainment Industry Netherlands" and also, more importantly, the Dutch word for "brain".

Nope, don't see USA government in your linked article or in BREIN's charter or in Article 6:196c of the Dutch Civil Code, and not even in the European E-commerce Directive.

BTW, I hope News-Service wins their appeal and gets a hefty settlement from BREIN.

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